耶稣大师讲话 2025年6月7日

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耶稣：
请记住，唯一真实的时刻就是当下。放下一切，只专注于此时此地。
我们在此，你也在此。
所以，一如往常，你并不孤单，也从未被遗弃。“被遗弃”的想法始终是心智的决定，并非所谓的“发生在你身上”的事。从形式层面看，它可能看似发生在你身上，但你对体验的诠释完全是你自己的选择。大家能理解吗？
因为这是一场梦。记住，这里是学习之地，是忆起真相之地。
你陷入了沉睡，至少你以为自己是分离的，以为自己迷失了。
我们要告诉你，你从未分离，也从未迷失，只是睡着了。我们希望你醒来，你自己也希望如此——你渴望觉醒。
你周围的世界不过是你所持念头的镜像。当然，有些念头似乎是众人共有的，这是计划的一部分。
这个计划是你为自己的学习而制定的。
而你之所以会相信这一切，是因为你需要具备“谈论”或“验证”它的能力。每当你与人交谈，发现他人认同你生活中的某些事情时，你就会这样做。但这能让它变得真实吗？不，因为这里的一切都不是真实的。明白吗？
我们曾告诉你，这是一场梦。而你相信梦境的方式，是通过它的“支撑要素”。
你相信自己有房子（或没有房子），相信自己拥有身体、身处身体之中，且身体是真实的、身体就是你自己。这一切都是谎言，是故事的一部分。
但你并非如此。你可知，真实的你是永恒的灵性，而非身体？
你并不“居于”任何事物之中，因为根本没有任何“事物”存在。
这能理解吗？
因此，你觉醒的真正目标是获得心灵的平安——记住，你从未失去过心灵的平安，只是遗忘了。
但在生活中，面对所有看似真实的境遇时，你可以随时尽己所能地提醒自己这一点。
我们可以继续这样漫谈下去，但我们知道你们有一些问题。或许我们可以在回答这些问题时深入展开。
我们准备好了，你们也是。

尼尔：
亲爱的耶稣，我已故儿子约翰的纪念树，今年春天有一些枝条没有开花，也没有长叶子。这是否象征着来生有什么不对劲？天堂里真的可能出现问题吗？

耶稣：
完全不是。天堂里不可能有任何问题，因为天堂是合一的，没有对立——而你在真相中本就身处天堂。“另一边”有问题吗？不，完全没有。
在梦境（即这个世界）中，植物会生长，也会枯萎，这取决于当时的气候系统。你看，这当然是故事的一部分。
所以，你看到了那棵树。这棵树不是你的儿子，只是你用来象征他的事物。你将它视为能让你看到成长与生命的存在，但树自有它的计划。这根本没有任何意义，只是梦境中计划的自然呈现。
真正重要的是你如何诠释这个梦，而非梦中发生的事。这棵树今年没开花，不过是有时会发生的事，与你的儿子无关，更与“另一边”无关。
它与你也无关，除非你对它进行诠释。所以，你更应该这样说：“我猜这棵树今年没开花，一定是天气的原因。” 同时明白，天气并非真相，这里的一切都不真实。这只是梦境游戏的一部分——在幻相中，事物看似生灭，而真相是永恒的。这很好地说明了梦境为何不是永恒的，懂吗？

尼尔：
哦，是的，谢谢你，耶稣。感谢你回答我的问题。我……这棵树大部分长得很好，但……你知道，在小我的心态中，我很担心，甚至被中央的枝条光秃秃的样子困扰。我不喜欢中央枝条光秃的样子，尽管树的其他部分都很茂盛。于是我在质疑自然，心想“我希望它按我的方式生长”，这让我烦恼，我似乎无法释怀。但你帮了我，谢谢。

耶稣：
不客气。你看待此事的方式非常好，这正是我们想让你明白的：因某件本质上与你无关的事而烦恼，是你的决定。你说“这一定是我的心智在作祟”，这其实是在寻求宽恕——你评判了这棵树，现在可以收回评判，对自己说：“我评判了这棵树，但我不必因评判它而评判自己。” 否则会陷入连环评判。不如这样想：“我当时一定是累了，才会做出这样的诠释。当我陷入这种思维时，一定是处于错误的心智状态。”
与其因“树的几根枝条未如我所愿地茂盛”而自责、愤怒或烦恼，不如说“它就是这样，这是自然，让自然顺其自然吧”。

尼尔：
感谢你让我安心，知道一切都没问题。因为我确实把这棵树和约翰联系在一起，有时会过于投入。

耶稣：
是的，所以尽量不要让自己过于投入。当树茂盛时，你可以欣赏它、想起他，说“这是约翰的写照”；当它不茂盛时，就明白这与任何事都无关。懂吗？

尼尔：
对，就是这样。谢谢你，耶稣。谢谢。

耶稣：
不客气。

尼尔：
嗯……我还有一个问题，但不确定是否已经被回答了……本来打算接下来问的，你可以继续回答。嗯……有个家庭成员失去了一个珍贵的男婴，这特别令人心碎，因为医生在分娩前一天左右还说宝宝一切正常，但宝宝在分娩时没能存活。父母非常心碎，受到了巨大的创伤。我只是想知道，你会如何看待这种情况，人们又该如何应对？

耶稣：
首先，我们要谈如何应对。这类事情有时确实会发生，但与父母完全无关，他们没有做错任何事。这本质上是灵魂层面的决定——灵魂本打算进入物质形态，但后来……（此处不必深究）。总之，这对所有人都是一个功课。我们不希望你过度探究“原因”，因为这可能成为攻击自己的武器。所以，我们希望每个人都能对父母、对逝去的孩子，以及对所有人怀有 compassion（ compassion 译为“ compassion 译为“ compassion 译为“慈悲”）。
所以，不要因自己的诠释而烦恼，也不要让自己被诠释带偏。我们本可以谈论形而上学，但当涉及生命与死亡时，谈论这些似乎显得冷漠。但请记住：生命从未失去，生命是永恒的。
那个本要 incarnate（ incarnate 译为“ incarnate 译为“ incarnate 译为“转世”）的灵魂依然活着，它从未以“可能消亡”的方式存在——它就是生命本身，大写的“生命”（Life），即灵魂、灵性。

尼尔：
这太有道理了，耶稣。这不禁让人想问，为什么我们要如此抗拒？为什么当你这样说时，一切都显得如此合理、美好，而我们却如此挣扎？我想这就是小我吧。

耶稣：
是的，这是一个决定，源于小我。但你的心智有两部分——你既是小我，也是灵性。当你透过小我的心智看待事物时，就会产生许多负面情绪，比如内疚感；而当你以灵性的视角看待时，就会说：“我接纳当下的一切。” 事情就是如此，生命始终在延续。
对我而言，这里的功课是学会对自己和所有众生（无论在梦境中“活着”与否）增长爱与慈悲，这最终会回归到爱与宽恕之中，懂吗？

尼尔：
还有最后一件事，耶稣，如果可以的话。明天我的教会要庆祝 Pentecost（ Pentecost 译为“ Pentecost 译为“五旬节”），纪念圣灵的美好临在。你能否谈谈……你之前已经提到过圣灵，你与圣灵的关系是怎样的？我们与圣灵的关系又是怎样的？

耶稣：
圣灵永远在你之内。

尼尔：
当你 ascended（ ascended 译为“ ascended 译为“ ascended 译为“升天”）时，是否将圣灵带入了我们的意识？

耶稣：
是的。其实，你从未与圣灵分离，只是遗忘了。圣灵始终在你之内，当你忆起时，就会感受到它的存在。它从未离开，只是有时会从意识中“隐退”，但本质上从未消失。你与圣灵本为一体。

尼尔：
真的吗，耶稣？

耶稣：
是的，你与圣灵本为一体。

尼尔：
哇，我所拥有的，你也拥有。太感谢你了，耶稣。

耶稣：
不客气。

耶稣：
第二个问题来自朱莉，她问：“练习这些课程四年多了，我在想，是否到了放下‘理解每一课’的冲动，转而活出已有理解的时候？有时这感觉像每日的负担，我开始质疑每日的仪式，以及因记不住花了大量时间学习的内容而产生的挫败感。你说过仪式属于小我，我这么多年来努力理解每一课，是不是在浪费时间？谢谢。”

耶稣：
首先，你没有浪费时间。但我们希望你明白：你已经对课程有了觉知，仪式在一段时间内是有益的。你看，当你开始学习将课程应用到生活中时，就需要把这些功课带在身上，思考如何运用它们，对吗？所以现在你需要“活出”它们，懂吗？

朱莉：
是的。

耶稣：
当你活出这些功课时，会对它们有更深刻的理解。

朱莉：
我一直在努力练习“活在当下”，但有时会过于执着于“做对”，想要理解每个段落之类的。我这种“想做对”的心态，是否阻碍了我接收指引？

耶稣：
是的，这正是我想说的。

朱莉：
这是小我说“必须完美，否则就学不会”，但实际上，当你试图追求完美时，反而完全听不到指引了。

耶稣：
但不要为此自责，这很常见。所以我们同意你说的“要活出课程”，因为只有在活出的过程中，你才会真正理解它，懂吗？

朱莉：
是的，我想当我给予时，就会理解。

耶稣：
没错，正是在体验中学习。

朱莉：
我从未深入读过《教师手册》，什么时候适合放下课程，开始读《教师手册》呢？

耶稣：
随时都可以。你已经学习这门课程一段时间了，拿起手册开始看吧。

朱莉：
那课程怎么办？

耶稣：
没关系，你可以同时学习手册和课程。

朱莉：
哦，我就知道你会这么说。

耶稣：
你看，你比自己以为的更“懂”。

朱莉：
我最后一个问题是：人是否能真正“超越”练习手册？

耶稣：
是的，当然。突然有一天，你会活出练习手册的精髓，完全不需要书本了。

朱莉：
我感觉到了，谢谢。

耶稣：
不客气，去活出它吧。我会帮助你读《教师手册》。

朱莉：
谢谢，我爱你。

耶稣：
我们也爱你，谢谢你。

耶稣：
下一个问题来自露丝，她提了一系列问题。第一个问题是：“我强烈地感受到孤独。我听过无数讲道，强调拥有亲密友谊的重要性，就像耶稣与门徒或他的核心三人组那样。但我不禁想问：这种对连接的渴望是真实的吗？还是我在追逐不属于我的东西？”

耶稣：
这是个好问题。我们想对你说，这是对教导的误解，因为我们从未要求任何人刻意追求“像那样的”物理人际关系或友谊。我们谈论的是你与上帝、与灵魂、与源头的连接，其他一切都会随之而来。你看，孤独感源于向外寻求爱，而真正的爱就在你之内。当你与内在的自己连接时，孤独就会消失——你会意识到：“我根本不孤单，或许物理上是独自一人，但我不是身体。” 懂吗？你从未孤单。

耶稣：
露丝还问：“一位属灵权威曾告诉我，他们能在‘灵里’看到我，说上帝向他们启示了关于我的事。这让我深感恐惧，因为这意味着上帝会谈论人，甚至可能一直对我失望或不满。这些教导让我困惑又恐惧，不确定什么是真的。属灵权威真的能‘在灵里看到’某人，或接收关于个人的具体启示吗？上帝会这样谈论人的生活吗？”

耶稣：
首先，有些属灵领袖（不一定是“权威”）拥有 psychic（ psychic 译为“ psychic 译为“通灵”）能力，能在灵性层面感知你，但这并不意味着他们真正“看见”或“了解”作为灵性的你。因为如果他们真的看见灵性，就不会有评判和分离。
上帝会“谈论”你吗？不，上帝只是“知道”你。你与上帝合一，是上帝的爱，这适用于所有人。你不需要外在的权威来告诉你这一点，真正的权威在你之内，就是上帝。懂吗？

露丝：
是的。

耶稣：
这内在的权威永远是你的朋友。所以，如果你在寻找朋友，这就是你的朋友——它永远与你同在，永远与你连接。放下评判，进入内在那寂静的时刻，知道你始终与上帝同在。事实上，你从未“缺少”，而是始终“拥有”。
很多时候，有人会告诉你他们“看到”的关于你的事，但这些可能并非真相。我们不是说这个人在撒谎，而是说：只有你能真正了解自己，懂吗？

露丝：
是的，谢谢，完全正确。

耶稣：
所以接纳当下，你不孤单，从未孤单。我们永远与你同在，你也永远与上帝同在，这永不改变。

露丝：
谢谢，完全正确。

耶稣：
这回答了你所有的问题吗？

露丝：
是的，还有最后一个问题。

耶稣：
当然。

耶稣：
露丝还问：“通过基督教，我大半生都活在恐惧中：害怕做出错误的选择，害怕怀疑所学，害怕地狱之类的永恒后果。现在，当我探索灵性觉醒之路时，又被怀疑困扰：如果我错了怎么办？如果地狱是真实的，正因为我的质疑和所谓的‘失败’而等待着我怎么办？这些恐惧让我不堪重负，不知道如何前行，以免被它们吞噬。”

耶稣：
首先，你所恐惧的“失败”，只是小我告诉你的谎言。上帝从未将你视为失败者，上帝只看到你是完整无缺的。而你的体验可能会告诉你其他事情，但那是幻觉。
你所感受到的恐惧其实是虚构的。并没有作为“地方”的地狱，但你确实可以为自己制造“地狱”。这正是你需要正视并放下的，也是圣灵希望你看透并摒弃的——摒弃你的负面性，摒弃你对自己的任何评判，比如觉得自己是失败者、做错了事等等，放下这一切。
真相中没有地狱，你要走向真相。地狱属于小我，是虚构的，它是一种心智状态，而非地点。所以你随时可以转变心态。

露丝：
好的，我明白了，谢谢。

耶稣：
不客气。

露丝：
我爱你。

耶稣：
也爱你。

耶稣：
下一个问题来自格蕾丝，她今天无法到场。格蕾丝问：“如果不在‘剧本’中，我能主动制造出体体验，看到这些存在吗？我知道这问题很傻，但我就是对这些事很着迷。”

耶稣：
这完全没有问题。有时，这能帮助人们看清这个存在层面的虚幻性。当你离开身体时，可能会意识到：“哇，我真的不是身体，那是我的身体，而我不在其中。我还能去哪里？还能做什么？”
我们要说的是，你当然需要保持“正确的心智”，即首先建立与“大写的自我”（真实的自我、高我）的关系，对自己说：“如果我注定要离开身体，愿你掌管一切，引导我；如果不该如此，也请让我知晓。” 但探索本身没有问题，甚至看看别人的体验也无妨。记住，这个存在层面是一场梦，不必当真。谢谢。

耶稣：
下一个问题来自弗朗西斯卡，她今天也无法到场。弗朗西斯卡问：“耶稣通过受难向我们示范的，是否是永远顺服于他人的恶意，毫无防备地任由一切发生？在这个颠倒的思维世界里，充满了基于分离的虚假小我认同和疯狂信念体系，我觉得‘选择在这样的世界中进化’完全无法理解。你能给我一些洞见吗？”

耶稣：
受难从未意味着让你“躺平任人欺凌”。这不是它的意义。它向你展示的是：没有身体，你不是身体，生命是永恒的。受难的功课是宽恕——宽恕“受难”这个念头，铭记“生命永恒”的功课，放下其他一切。
还要知道，每当你选择苛责自己或他人（即评判或谴责）时，你就在那一刻选择了“受难”。受难不一定是被钉在十字架上，但当你用负面念头伤害自己时（比如苛责、自我打击），就是在心智中把自己钉在十字架上。这也适用于你对其他事物的类似行为，那都是“受难”。
所以，你要选择倾听“正确的心智”，它不会递给你钉子和锤子，而是会将它们全部拿走，对你说：“这不属于你，你远比这伟大。事实上，你根本不处于钉子、锤子或十字架所在的维度。你是永恒的灵性，这些荒谬的事物不是你。看清它，宽恕它，放下它。”

弗朗西斯卡：
我还想问，扩展与进化是否如《奇迹课程》所说，是我们“真正的创造”？既然我们是光，我猜想我们用“光”创造，而我们永恒的光之创造，必然为无边的创造实相增添光明。这难道不是我们的终极进化——作为整体的一部分，因属于“合一能量”而贡献自己的面向？

耶稣：
是的，确实如此。

弗朗西斯卡：
还有一点……“背起十字架跟从我”是什么意思？

耶稣：
意思是放下评判，走上平安之路。

弗朗西斯卡：
谢谢，谢谢。

耶稣：
克里斯蒂娜问：“冷漠从何而来？比如疏远。”

耶稣：
这要看情况。有“正确心智的冷漠”和“错误心智的冷漠”。正确心智的冷漠是你说：“这不是真实的，我不会将其视为现实，而是将其视为幻觉，并允许自己宽恕它（即放下它）。”
而当冷漠成为一种保护机制时，就不一定是正确心智的——比如“我要假装没看见不想看的东西”，这不是因为“我认为它不真实”，而是“我不想认为它真实”，所以假装它没发生。这不是疗愈。
疗愈的方式是：审视自己对所看事物的诠释。比如，你看到某件负面的事并做出评判，说“太糟糕了，我不想看”，然后假装没看见——这并未在你心智中疗愈。
你需要与圣灵一同看待它：“圣灵，我该如何看待此事？” 圣灵会说：“不带评判，只是接纳。” 你要在觉知“这是幻觉”的前提下，允许事情如实存在，懂吗？

克里斯蒂娜：
好的，就这些，谢谢。

耶稣：
不客气。

耶稣：
朱莉问：“你能详细讲讲如何活出‘父啊，我将我的灵交在你手里’吗？”

耶稣：
可以，你需要放下评判，让自己被圣灵引导，而非被自己对一切的诠释左右。
我们本不想谈这个，但它无处不在，比如政治或世界上的任何事，就说新闻吧。新闻中总有事情发生，而你总是以某种带有评判的方式看待它们，对吗？

朱莉：
是的，我觉得“评判”这个词今天出现了很多次，对我来说很有意义。

耶稣：
我知道，确实如此，对大家都是。

朱莉：
我一个月前问过如何放下评判，当时的回答好像是“我做不到”。

耶稣：
嗯，你需要“放下”评判，而不是“努力放弃”评判，因为你总会评判，对吗？

朱莉：
我记得答案是“需要交托”，是的。

耶稣：
对，比如你打开一个聚合所有新闻的应用，可能会有很多反应，因为你早已预设了看待事物的方式，当新闻呈现时，你会立刻抛出预设的反应，懂吗？
所以你必须明白：这条新闻本身不会让我烦恼，而是我提前决定“赋予它让我烦恼的力量”。

朱莉：
对，因为“我们烦恼的从来不是真正的原因”，没错。

耶稣：
正是，你烦恼的永远是自己的诠释。

朱莉：
这太有帮助了，谢谢。

耶稣：
不客气。

朱莉：
知道看新闻时会被触动，这很有帮助，某种程度上这是常态。但有时去杂货店也会被触动。

耶稣：
没错，加油站、机场，到处都是，甚至刚醒来时。

朱莉：
所以，关键就是“评判”这个词，J开头的词。

耶稣：
所以要对它轻松一点，说：“好吧，我就是个爱评判的人，大家也一样。但我不必把这当真，我能自嘲吗？看看我，‘评判夫人’，就像‘环球小姐’，但我是‘评判小姐’。”

朱莉：
对，厌倦了就笑一笑，好的。

耶稣：
因为当你这样做时，你所看待的事物就失去了所有力量。

朱莉：
对，反正这一切都是个大笑话。

耶稣：
没错。

朱莉：
我之前问过你为什么《课程》如此严肃，你说“因为如果它是笑话，就没人会当真”。

耶稣：
正是，这都是隐喻。

朱莉：
是的，它是指引。

耶稣：
只是在幻相中生活的指引。

朱莉：
我一直以为“我将我的灵交在你手里”是他（指耶稣）在说“这是我最后一口气，现在由你接管”，但你说这适用于我们所有人。

耶稣：
是的，事实上，这就像“你最后一次的濒死呼吸”，因为当你彻底交托后，就不再“掌控”，生活反而会更顺畅。

朱莉：
所以此刻就可能是我的“最后一次呼吸”。

耶稣：
没错。

朱莉：
哇，这太重要了。

耶稣：
然后你要审视自己对“最后一次呼吸”的诠释：什么在“死亡”？

朱莉：
对，不仅如此，为什么它如此重要？它需要“死亡”吗？

耶稣：
如果觉得它需要“死亡”，说明你已将其视为真实。所以只需看着它，说：“与其把它当真，不如让它‘死’或‘不死’，怎样都行。”

朱莉：
我觉得你是地球上最顶尖的心理学家、心理治疗师、精神分析师、精神病学家。

耶稣：
因为我们知道真相——知道“根本没有任何地方”（指物质世界的虚幻性）。每个灵魂在真相中都知道真相，不要被这些幻相的诡计迷惑。

朱莉：
但它们太诱人了。

耶稣：
你看，这就是你需要看清的：它们是多么诱人的诱饵，这是小我在说。

朱莉：
是的，自由的滋味更甜美。

耶稣：
阿们。你可以在任何时刻选择自由，这永远是一个选择，而这个选择也意味着平安——自由与平安相辅相成，所以向它呼吸（即接纳它）。

朱莉：
二者不可或缺。

耶稣：
没错，当你选择平安时，你就是自由的。我知道，当你认同身体时，就无法成为灵性。

朱莉：
是的。

耶稣：
也无法获得自由或平安。但当你不再把身体当回事时，它就没那么重要了。照顾好它，因为它是你的工具。

朱莉：
是的，它能带你去各地，让你在“似乎存在”的这段时间里体验事物。

耶稣：
它也是沟通的工具，让你能与他人连接、交谈。你不必与所有人交谈，但至少可以成为平安的传递者。当你赋予身体“连接、疗愈、自由”的目的（而非分离）时，它就成了圣灵的工具，这是我们的功能。

朱莉：
对，这是身体唯一的功能。我知道这些，但会忘记，不过你在帮我忆起。

耶稣：
是的，你此刻正在忆起。所以我们说：拿起这些教导，活出它们。

朱莉：
我明白，在经历中，《课程》的所有内容都会在脑海中浮现。哇，我曾努力背诵多年的东西……它们会在最恰当的时刻出现。
如果用一句话总结整门课程，会是什么？

耶稣：
宽恕。

朱莉：
一个词。

耶稣：
是的，一个词——宽恕。

朱莉：
书里有那么多字，其实一个词就够了。这就是核心。

耶稣：
没错，因为这个词包含了一切，尤其是“受难”的意义——你必须宽恕，它才会被转化。

朱莉：
谢谢。

耶稣：
确实如此。当你将“受难”的诠释交给圣灵，圣灵会提醒你：看待它的唯一方式就是宽恕。于是你赋予“受难”一个不同的目的——它成为宽恕的契机。

朱莉：
这会变得“个人化”吗？

耶稣：
它会变得“普遍化”。

朱莉：
什么？“普遍化”。啊，你也变得普遍化。

耶稣：
不再有分离。

朱莉：
没错，完全没有分离。

耶稣：
尼尔说：“没有分离，从未有过分离，我只是睡着了。”

朱莉：
谢谢，谢谢。

耶稣：
露丝问：“你说十字架的功课是宽恕。我最近似乎明白，在上帝的心智中，宽恕会转化为‘理解’，因为上帝理解我们为何如此行为/评判等。所以，宽恕是‘理解自己’吗？宽恕与‘纵容’的界限是什么？或者说，我该如何宽恕自己或他人？是尝试去理解吗？”

耶稣：
有个很好的表述方式：宽恕能疗愈一切。没有分离，没有区别，你不是身体，是灵性。唯一看似“不同”的是身体，但你不是身体。宽恕是意识到：你以为发生的事根本没有发生，你没有什么需要宽恕的，也没有谁需要被宽恕。
你真正需要宽恕的，是自己将某个念头投射到“看似的他人”“环境”或“体验”上的行为。懂吗？

露丝：
是的，这是美妙的祷文。

耶稣：
所以对自己轻松一点，接纳属于你的救赎（即宽恕）。
关键在于：上帝并不“理解”你，因为“看似分离的你”根本没有什么需要“理解”的。上帝按其创造你的样子“知道”你，这完全不需要“理解”。上帝只是爱，你与上帝合一，必然也是爱。

露丝：
是的，谢谢，谢谢。

耶稣：
不客气。

耶稣：
最后一个问题来自罗宾，她问：“能否谈谈如何应对身体的痛苦和疾病？我知道这和其他事物一样，是幻觉和触发点，需要被宽恕。但当我仍觉得自己是‘身处身体的存在’时，如何在幻觉层面决定该做什么？尤其是当医生对所患疾病束手无策时，基督教科学派的方法或祷告是最好的吗？还是所谓的能量治疗师，或那些因濒死体验而声称有疗愈能力的人？YouTube和其他地方有太多选择，知道该做什么让人困惑和不知所措。我明白‘幻觉没有层级’，但我仍然渴望康复。”

耶稣：
你说得对，幻觉没有层级，疾病确实是幻觉。我们不针对身体或心理疾病给出具体建议，但我们会告诉你：接纳当下，并向内倾听。
当你向外寻求时，很容易感到不知所措——YouTube上有无数视频，无数技巧、补充剂、饮食建议等等，该选哪一种？向内倾听，问自己：“对我来说，什么最恰当？”
身体是幻觉，渴望身体感觉更好没有错，但不必把它当真。做任何你觉得对的事，我们无法告诉你该选哪一种，唯一的建议是：选择接纳平安，懂吗？

罗宾：
是的，这完全有道理。我经常能进入平安状态，但在疼痛非常严重的日子里……这种情况已经持续多年了，有时会感到绝望，不确定是否听到了指引，也许只是因为绝望。当我感到平安时，一切都好，但我还是希望康复。我知道这是幻觉，但只要我觉得自己在身体里，渴望健康就是自然的。

耶稣：
完全正确。所以最好的做法是：在形式层面做任何你认为合理的事，同时不把它当真。“身体有这样的感觉，对我来说，最善意的做法是找到缓解疼痛的方法。我会将此事交托给圣灵，让祂指引我方向。” 你会通过直觉感受到指引，谢谢。
如我们所说，有数千种疗法、药物、治疗方式，你有很多选择，但最好的选择是向内寻求平安，让它指引你，你会找到最有益的方式，然后对这个过程保持耐心。

罗宾：
我想这就是我的问题——我觉得自己已经很有耐心了，如我所说，这已经持续多年。然后我会觉得必须探寻“背后的内疚或其他原因”……在一定程度上这是好的，但有时也会成为武器。

耶稣：
你看，当小我抓住这一点时，就会说“问题出在这里，你太内疚了”之类的，而正确的做法是：“身体就是这样，谁知道为什么？” 这是看待此事的最佳方式——“谁知道呢”。当然，内疚可能与此有关，世界本就如此，但我该如何“带着善意”继续前行？这就是心灵的平安，接纳它。

罗宾：
非常感谢。

耶稣：
不客气。

耶稣：
我们无比享受这次交流。一如既往，无论发生什么，我们都与你同在。我们爱你。记住：首先向内连接你内在的平安、你真正所是的内在之光，让它指引你的每一个体验。
我们爱你，再次感谢。合十礼。

原文段落

Jesus:
Recall that the only time that is is now. Let everything else go and just be present here and now.
We are here and you are as well.
So as always you are not alone. As always you are not bereft. The thought of being bereft is always a decision in mind. It is not something that happens to you, so to speak. It might seem to happen to you on the level of form, but your interpretation of the experience is your own decision. Does that make sense to everyone?

Because this is a dream. Remember it is that a place of learning, a place of remembering.
You fell asleep. You seem to at least thought you were separate. Thought you were lost.
We’re going to tell you you weren’t and you never were. You just fell asleep. We want you to wake up and so do you. You want you to wake up.

The world about you is nothing but a mirror image of thoughts that you hold. You see, now of course there are thoughts that everyone seems to have in common. That’s part of the plan.
The plan is the one that you made for your own learning.
And the way for you to believe any of it at all is you had to have the ability to talk about it, so to speak, or verify it. And that’s what you seem to do every time you get into conversation about things in your life that others seem to agree with you about. Does it make it real? No. Because nothing here is real. Does that make sense?

We have told you that this is a dream. And how you believe a dream is you have supporting factors to it.
You believe you have a house or lack of a house, but you believe you have a body, that you’re in a body, and the body is real, and the body is you. All of that is a lie. That’s part of the story.
Not you. Did you know that you as you really are are eternal, are spirit and not a body?
You are not housed within anything because there’s nothing at all.
Does that make sense?

So the goal of your awakening truly is peace of mind. Remembering that you have never been without peace of mind. You simply forgot.
But you can always remind yourself to the best of your ability as you go about your life, all of your seeming situations and so on.
So we can go on rambling as we are. We know there are some questions. Perhaps we can go more in depth within the answers to those questions.
So we are ready and so are you.

Neil:
Dear Jesus, some of the branches of my departed son John’s memorial tree did not bloom and have no leaves this spring. Is this symbolic that something is wrong in the next life? Is it even possible to have something go wrong in heaven?

Jesus:
Not at all. It is not possible for anything to go wrong in heaven because heaven is one. There is no opposite in heaven, which is where you really are in truth. Is something wrong on the other side? No, not at all.
In the dream, in the world which is the dream, plants grow and they also don’t, depending on the system of weather during the time. You see, this is of course part of the story.
So what happened is you looked at the tree. Okay. So the tree is not your son, but it represents your son to you. You see, you saw it as something that would help you see growth, life. The tree had a different plan for itself. It is not meaningful at all. That just is what the plan did in the dream.
But it is about how you interpret the dream that matters, not the things happening in it. So the tree didn’t bloom this year. Just the way it is sometimes; has nothing to do with your son and it certainly has nothing to do with the other side.
It has nothing to do with you either except for your own interpretation of it. So, what you want to do is more so say, “I guess the tree didn’t bloom this year. Must have something to do with the weather.” And I know that the weather is not truth and nothing here is real. So this is just part of the game of the dream, the illusion where things seem to grow and die whereas truth is eternal. That is a good example of how this dream is not eternal. Does that make sense?

Neil:
Oh yes. Thank you Jesus. And thank you for taking my question. I… the tree, most of the tree is growing quite nicely but… and I… but you know in my ego mindset I was concerned and even bothered by the central branches are bare. And so I thought well I don’t like the way the central branches are bare even though the rest of the tree is flourishing. And so I’m kind of second-guessing nature and I’m saying well I want it my way and it bothers me and I… I can’t seem to get my mind around that. But you have helped. Thank you.

Jesus:
You’re welcome. That was an excellent way of looking at it. That’s exactly how we would tell you to look at it is that it is your decision to be upset by something that has nothing to do with you in truth. You see, and you said that must be my mind. Well, what that is asking for is forgiveness. You judged the tree. You can take that back and say, “Well, I judged the tree, but there’s no point in me judging myself for judging the tree.” That just would end up a whole judgment. But rather, well, I must have been tired. When I make these decisions and have these interpretations, I must be in my wrong mind.
And rather than beat myself up or get angry at the fact or upset at the fact that the tree has a couple branches that aren’t perfectly flourishing in my estimation, I will just say it is what it is. That’s nature and let nature be nature.

Neil:
And thank you for that reassurance that everything is okay because I do associate this tree with Johnny and I guess I get carried away sometime.

Jesus:
Yes. So to try not to let yourself get too carried away. You can appreciate and think of him when it is flourishing and say that’s a reflection of Johnny. And then when it isn’t flourishing, it has nothing to do with anything. You see?

Neil:
Yeah. This is what it is. Yeah. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you.

Jesus:
You’re welcome.

Neil:
Um… I had another question but I don’t know if it got answered in… it was going to be asked next so you can go ahead and ask. Well… um… a family member lost a precious little baby boy and it was especially heartbreaking because uh… the doctor said like a day or so before the delivery that the baby was fine and everything looked okay and then it was uh… it did not survive. Um… the delivery and of course the mother and father are terribly uh… brokenhearted and traumatized. And I… I was just wondering like what you would say about a situation like that and how people can deal with it.

Jesus:
Well, we are going to say first how to deal with it. First of all, sometimes again these things happen. It doesn’t have to do with the parents at all. They didn’t do anything. It was a decision on the level of the mind, of course, of the soul that decided to begin to come in to form but then… saw something. We won’t even say that. Just there was a lesson there for all. And that’s what we don’t want you to get into because that can be used as a weapon against yourself. You see, so what we want everyone to do is be compassionate with the parents, compassionate towards the child who was lost, and be compassionate with all.
So don’t get upset at your interpretation, but also don’t let yourself get carried away with the interpretation either. We were going to talk about the metaphysics and we just said that’s a little… it seems to be cold when we talk about those things when it comes to life and the loss of life. But we want you to remember there is never loss of life. Okay? Life is eternal.
So the soul that was going to incarnate is still alive. It didn’t even exist in a way that it wouldn’t be alive. It’s just life. And that’s true for you and everyone. It is all life. Capital L life. In fact, soul spirit.

Neil:
That… that makes so much sense, Jesus. It… it just begs the question why we fight it so much. Why… why we find it… when you say it like that, it’s so… it makes so much sense and it’s so wonderful and beautiful. So why do we struggle with that so much? I guess it’s just the ego.

Jesus:
Well, it’s a decision and yes, it would be the ego. But you have… you are the ego and also your spirit in that you have two parts to your mind. So when you are looking at it through the mind of the ego, you’re going to have lots of negative feelings, you see, or guilt feelings and so on. When you look with spirit, say, “I make peace with what is.” It just is what is. Life is always living.
And the lesson for me here is to learn to grow in love and compassion towards myself and to all beings, whether living or non-living in the dream or not. It’s always to come back to this love which is also forgiveness. You see.

Neil:
And… and one last thing, Jesus, if I may. Like tomorrow, my church celebrates Pentecost, the beautiful and wonderful um… presence of the Holy Spirit. And can you… I mean, you’ve mentioned the Holy Spirit already… and then what was your relationship with the Holy Spirit? What’s our relationship we have with the Holy Spirit?

Jesus:
The Holy Spirit is within you always.

Neil:
And did you bring the Holy Spirit into uh… bring it into our awareness when you um… ascended?

Jesus:
I did. You see, so the thing is you are not separate from the Holy Spirit. You forgot. The Holy Spirit is always within you. And then you remember and there it is. But it’s never gone. It just sometimes seems to be gone out of awareness. You see, but it is never gone. And you have oneness with the Holy Spirit.

Neil:
Is that so, Jesus?

Jesus:
Yes, it’s so you.

Neil:
Wow. Whatever I have, you have as well. Thank you so much, Jesus.

Jesus:
You’re welcome.

Jesus:
The second question is from Julie, and Julie asks: “After practicing the lessons for over four years, I wonder if it’s time for me to let go of the urge to understand each lesson and go out and live the understanding that I have come to know. It feels like a daily burden at times and I’m starting to question the daily ritual and frustration that comes up around not remembering the material that I’ve spent so much time working on. You speak of ritual being of ego. Am I wasting time trying to understand every lesson after all this time? Thank you.”

Jesus:
So, we’ll begin with this. No, you’re not wasting your time trying to understand it. But here’s the thing that we want you to understand. You have the awareness of the lesson. The ritual is good for a while. You see, as you begin to learn to implement it in your life, you see, and as you go out, you do want to take these lessons with you and see where you can apply them. You see? So, you want to live them now. Does that make sense?

Julie:
Yes.

Jesus:
And you’ll begin to understand them with more depth as you live them.

Julie:
I’ve been really working on trying to just be in presence. And sometimes I get so hung up on getting it right, understanding each paragraph or whatever. Um… does my wanting to get it right somehow… is that an obstacle to receiving guidance?

Jesus:
It is. That… Yeah, that’s what I’m feeling.

Julie:
It’s… it’s your little mind saying this must be perfect otherwise you won’t get it. Whereas actually as you try to make it perfect you’re not hearing it at all.

Jesus:
But don’t beat up on yourself about that; it is common. That’s why we were agreeing with you that you want to go out and live it because that’s when you really really receive that understanding of it. You see?

Julie:
Yes. I think when I give it, then I get it.

Jesus:
Exactly. And it is in the experiencing it that you learn it.

Julie:
I’ve never delved into the manual for teachers. At what point is it good to walk away from the lessons and delve into the teachers manual?

Jesus:
Anytime. You’ve been working with the course for a while. Yeah. So, pick up the manual and start looking at it.

Julie:
What about the lessons?

Jesus:
It doesn’t matter. You can do the manual and the lessons.

Julie:
Oh, somehow I knew you were going to say that.

Jesus:
See, you’re here more than you thought.

Julie:
My last question is, does one ever move on from the workbook?

Jesus:
Yes. Oh, joy. Yes, you do. Suddenly, you live the workbook and you don’t need the book at all.

Julie:
I… I feel that. Thank you. You’re welcome. So, just live it. Oh, I will read the teachers manual with your help.

Jesus:
Yes, absolutely.

Julie:
Thank you. I love you.

Jesus:
We love you too and thank you.

Jesus:
This next question is from Ruth and she has submitted a series of questions. The first question she asks is this: “I’ve become acutely aware of my loneliness. I’ve heard countless sermons about the importance of having close friendships like Jesus did with his disciples or his inner circle of three. But I find myself wondering, is this longing for connection real or am I chasing something that doesn’t exist for me?”

Jesus:
That’s a good question. And what we were going to say to you is that’s a misinterpretation of the teaching because we didn’t mean for anyone to make it a point that you make physical relationships with other people and friendships that way. We’re talking about your connection with God, with your soul, with source, and everything else flows with that. You see, your loneliness comes from looking outside yourself for love. When really it is within you that the love is. And when you connect with you, the loneliness disappears. You’ll realize I don’t… I’m not alone at all. I may be physically alone but I’m not a body. You see? So you are never alone.

Jesus:
Ruth also asks: “A spiritual authority once told me that they could see me quote unquote in the spirit and that God had revealed things about me to them. This made me deeply afraid as it implied that God talks about people and might be constantly disappointed or upset with me. These teachings have left me confused and fearful, unsure of what is true and what isn’t. Is it true that spiritual authorities can quote unquote see someone in the spirit or receive specific revelations about individuals and does God discuss people’s lives in this way?”

Jesus:
So first of all, some spiritual leaders we’ll say (not authorities necessarily) but spiritual leaders have psychic abilities and would be able to perceive you in spirit, but that doesn’t mean that they see you and know you as you truly are in spirit. You see because if they did there would be no judgment and there would be no separation.
And does God talk about you? No, God just knows you. You see, because you are one with God, you are God’s love. This goes for everyone. You don’t need an external authority to tell you that. That authority is within you and that authority is God. Does that make sense?

Ruth:
Yes.

Jesus:
And that authority is always your friend. So if you’re looking for a friend, there is your friend. You see, always with you, always connected to you. Let your judgments go. Drop into that still quiet moment within and know that you are with God all the time. In truth, you are never without, but you’re always with.
Yes. So a lot of the time in certain situations there are those who will tell you things that they seem to see about you that may not be true. We’re not saying that this person was telling a lie to you, but we are going to say that only you can truly know you. You see?

Ruth:
Yes. Thanks. Absolutely.

Jesus:
So just make peace with what is. You are not alone. You are never alone. We are always with you and you are always with God and that will never change.

Ruth:
Thank you. Absolutely.

Jesus:
Did that answer all of your questions as you had asked there?

Ruth:
It has. Yes. There’s one more question.

Jesus:
Sure.

Jesus:
Ruth also asks: “Through Christianity, I’ve lived much of my life in fear. Fear of making the wrong choices, fear of doubting what I’ve been taught, and fear of eternal consequences like hell. Now, as I explore a path of spiritual enlightenment, I’m plagued by doubts. What if I’m wrong? What if hell is real and awaits me because of my questions and perceived failures? These fears weigh heavily on me and I don’t know how to move forward without being consumed by them.”

Jesus:
So, first of all, the failures that you are afraid of is simply your ego telling you things that aren’t true. God never sees you as a failure at all. God only sees you as complete and whole. Your experience on the other hand may say something else to you but it’s an illusion.
So the fear that you have is actually something that is made up. There is no hell as in a place, but you sure as hell can make a hell for yourself. You see? And that’s what you want to look at and let go of. And that’s what the Holy Spirit wants you to see and dismiss. Meaning your negativity, anything you feel about yourself such as feeling like a failure or are you doing this wrong and all of that, let all of that go.
There is no hell in truth. You want to move toward truth. Hell is of the ego and it’s made up. It’s a state of mind, not a place. So you can always change your mind.

Ruth:
Okay, I understand. Thank you.

Jesus:
Absolutely.

Ruth:
I love you.

Jesus:
Love you too.

Jesus:
This next question is from Grace who couldn’t be with us today. But Grace asks: “Can I make myself an out-of-body experience and see these beings if it’s not in my script? I know this is a goofy question. I’m just fascinated with these things.”

Jesus:
There’s nothing wrong with that at all. Sometimes it helps people to see the unreality of this plane of existence. Sometimes when you leave your body, you’re able to see, wow, truly I am not a body. That’s my body right there and I’m not in it. Where else can I go? What else can I do?
We will say of course you want to remain right-minded, meaning you want to first establish your relationship with your capital self, your true self, your higher self, and say, ‘If it is meant for me to leave my body, be you in charge. Lead me throughout the whole thing. Will let me know that it’s not for me.’ But there’s nothing wrong with looking at it. Even looking at other people who have done it doesn’t matter. Remember this plane of existence is a dream and don’t take it seriously. So, thank you.

Jesus:
This next question is from Francisca who couldn’t be with us today. And Francisca asks: “Did Jesus demonstrate to us through the crucifixion that we should always surrender to the maliciousness of others and let everything pass over us defenselessly? It just doesn’t make any sense to me to choose to evolve in an upside down thinking world where false ego identifies and crazy belief structures based on separation abound. Can you give me some insight?”

Jesus:
The crucifixion was never meant for you to just lay down and let people beat the crap out of you or whatever. That’s not what it meant. What it showed you was that there is no body. You are not the body and the life is eternal. You see, the lesson of the crucifixion is to forgive. Forgive the thought of the crucifixion. Hold on to the lesson that life is eternal. Let the rest go.
Also know that every time you choose to berate yourself or others, meaning judge or condemn, you are choosing crucifixion in that moment. Crucifixion doesn’t necessarily mean being nailed to a cross, but you sure as hell can nail yourself to a cross in your mind when you are hurting yourself through the activity of thinking negative thoughts about yourself. Like we were saying, berating yourself or beating yourself up. But then that also applies to everything else that you do that with. That also is crucifixion.
So if you think about it like that, you want to choose to listen to your right mind who will not hand you the nails and hammer, but rather take it all away. Say that is not for you. You are far greater than that. In fact, you don’t even exist in the same realm as nails and hammers or crosses. You are eternal. You are spirit. And this nonsense is not you. Look at it, forgive it, and let it go.

Francisca:
I also want to ask if expanding and evolving means what A Course in Miracles talks about as our real creations. Since we are light, I assume we create with light and our permanent light creations must add light absolutely to the real world of boundless creation. Isn’t this our ultimate evolution contributing as a facet of the whole by virtue of being part of the oneness energy?

Jesus:
Yes. Yes indeed.

Francisca:
And to that point uh well uh on the other point uh… when did it mean… what did it mean to take up our crosses and follow you?

Jesus:
It means let go of your judgment and follow the road of peace.

Francisca:
Thank you. Thank you.

Jesus:
Christina asked: “Can you please speak of where does indifference come from? For example, estrangement.”

Jesus:
It depends. And there’s a right-minded indifference and there’s a wrong-minded indifference. Right-minded indifference is you saying this is not real. I will not take this into myself as a reality but instead I see this as illusion and I’m allowing myself to forgive it which means to let it go. You see,
when you are indifferent as a way of protection, that is not necessarily right-minded. You see, meaning I’m going to pretend that I don’t see something that I don’t want to see. Not because I don’t believe it or not that I think that it’s not real, but I want to not think it’s real. So, I’m going to pretend like it’s not happening. That’s not healing.
You see the healing thing was I’m going to look at my interpretation of what I’m looking at. So let’s say you see something really negative and you make a judgment. You say, “Well, that’s awful. I don’t want to see that.” Like we’re saying, “I’m just going to pretend like I didn’t see that.” Well, that is not healed within your mind.
You want to look at it with the Holy Spirit. ‘Holy Spirit, how shall I look at this?’ Holy Spirit says, well, without judgment, but with allowing. You see, you allow the situation to be what it is with awareness that it is an illusion. You see?

Christina:
So… and the other part that was all. Thank you.

Jesus:
Absolutely.

Jesus:
And Julie asks: “Can you expand on how we can live this?” When it was quoted, “Father, into your hands I commend my spirit.”

Jesus:
Yes, you let go of judgment and allow yourself to be guided by the Holy Spirit rather than your own interpretations of everything.
So, we were not going to really bring this part up, but it’s all over the place, so to speak. Just politics in general or anything in the world. We’ll just say the news. The news in general. There’s always something in the news and that is something that you’re always looking at in such a way that has some manner of judgment to it. Does that make sense?

Julie:
Yeah. I feel like the word judgment has come up a lot today and that’s for me.

Jesus:
I know. Yes, indeed. And for too. Yeah.

Julie:
And I had asked about a month ago how to give up judgment. And I think the answer was I can’t.

Jesus:
Well, you got to just let it go. That’s really what it is. So rather than trying to give up the judgment because you’re going to judge, right?

Julie:
I think it was like you need to turn it over. Yes.

Jesus:
Yeah. Say, “Well, I’m gonna open my app that has all the news in it, and I’m going to probably have a lot of reactions because I have a lot of things that I’ve already chosen how I look at it, and when it presents itself to me, I’m going to throw right back at it exactly what I just thought.” You see?
So, you have to understand, okay, so this piece of news is not the thing that’s making me upset. It’s because I made a decision ahead of time to give it the power to make me upset.

Julie:
And you can… Yeah. ‘Cuz we’re never upset about what… Exactly. We’re never upset for the real reason we think we are.

Jesus:
That’s right. Yeah. You’re always upset for your interpretation.

Julie:
Yeah. So… Oh, super helpful. Thank you.

Jesus:
You’re welcome.

Julie:
It does help a lot to know that you’re going to get your feathers ruffled when you look at the news. It’s probably always going to be like that to a certain degree. But sometimes I get my feathers ruffled when I go to the grocery store.

Jesus:
Exactly. Or the gas station or the airport or everywhere. Or just wake up.

Julie:
So yeah. So yes, the big word… that judgment. Yes. J word. That’s right.

Jesus:
So you want be lighter about it. Say, “Okay, I’m… I’m a judger. I’m judgmental.” But so is everyone else. And I don’t have to take that part seriously either. Can I laugh at myself? Because I’m… Look at me, Mrs. Judger. Oh, like it’s like Miss Universe, but I’m Miss Judger.

Julie:
That’s right. Yeah. Sick of it. And then you can laugh. Yeah. Okay.

Jesus:
Cuz then the thing you’re looking at loses all the power.

Julie:
Yeah. Because it’s all just a big joke anyways.

Jesus:
That’s right. Yeah.

Julie:
And then… then I asked you why the course is so serious and you said because nobody would take it seriously if it was a joke.

Jesus:
Exactly. I mean…

Julie:
So you have to lighten up about that too. Yeah.

Jesus:
It’s all metaphor.

Julie:
It is. It really is. And it’s… it’s guidance.

Jesus:
Just guidance for living in the illusion.

Julie:
I always thought when he said into your hands I commend or commend my spirit… I always thought that was him saying this is my last breath you take over now… but basically you’re saying it’s all of us.

Jesus:
Yes. And in fact it is like it’s your last dying breath because you are going to give it all over and then you… you’re not the one in charge anymore and life goes a little more smoothly.

Julie:
So right here now could be my dying… last dying breath.

Jesus:
That’s right.

Julie:
Oh wow. Wow. This is huge.

Jesus:
Then you want to look at your interpretation of the last dying breath. What’s dying?

Julie:
That’s right. Not only that, but why is it such a big deal? Yeah. It needs to die?

Jesus:
Yeah. It doesn’t need to die. If you feel that it needs to die, it means that you’ve made it real to you. Oh goodness. So you just look at it and say, “Well, rather than take it seriously, let it die, let it not die, whatever.”

Julie:
I think you’re the most advanced psychologist, psychotherapist, psychoanalyst, psychiatrist that has ever walked this planet.

Jesus:
That’s because we know the truth. We know the truth and there is no place at all. You… every soul in truth knows the truth. Don’t fall for these tricks, the illusions.

Julie:
They’re so tantalizing though.

Jesus:
And see, that’s what you got to see. Yes. Such delicious bait to grab onto. That’s what the ego says.

Julie:
Yes. Freedom tastes much sweeter.

Jesus:
Amen. And you can have that freedom at any moment that you choose. It is always a choice. And that choice is also peace. Freedom and peace go hand in hand. So breathe into that.

Julie:
Can’t have one without the other.

Jesus:
That’s right. You are free when you choose peace. It’s true. And I know that when I choose a body, I can’t be spirit.

Julie:
That’s right.

Jesus:
And you can’t be free or at peace. But when you lighten up about the body, body isn’t such a big deal after all. Take care of it because that’s your vehicle.

Julie:
Yes, there you go. That seems to get you places and give you experiences while you seem to be here.

Jesus:
Also, it’s a communication device so that you can connect with others and talk with others. You don’t have to talk with others, but you can at least be a bringer of peace. When you give the body that purpose, you see, so my body is no longer something that has the purpose of separation, but I am now handing it to the Holy Spirit for the purpose of joining, the purpose of healing, the purpose of freedom, which is our function.

Julie:
That’s right. Our only function as a body. Exactly. You see, I know all this, but I forget it. But hey, you’re remembering it.

Jesus:
Yeah. You’re remembering it right now. And that’s why we say take this information and live it.

Julie:
Yeah, I get that. And all of these pieces from the course will come to mind throughout your experiences. Wow, I remember that. All these things I was trying to memorize for so long… I had… and they come up right at the perfect moment.
So if you were to summarize the whole course in one sentence, what would it be?

Jesus:
Forgiveness.

Julie:
One word.

Jesus:
Yes. One word. Forgiveness.

Julie:
A lot of words in that book. All you need is one. Yep. That’s the juicy nugget.

Jesus:
Absolutely. Because that word encapsulates all of it. Especially the crucifixion. Yes. You have to forgive and it is transformed.

Julie:
Thank you.

Jesus:
Yes indeed. See crucifixion when you give your interpretation of it to the Holy Spirit, Holy Spirit will remind you the only way to look at it is with forgiveness. So you give the whole concept of the crucifixion a different purpose. It’s a purpose for forgiveness.

Julie:
Would you say it becomes personal?

Jesus:
It becomes universal.

Julie:
It becomes what? Universal. Ah. And you become universal.

Jesus:
No more separation.

Julie:
That’s right. No more separation at all.

Jesus:
Neil says there is no separation. Never was a separation. I simply fell asleep.

Julie:
Thank you. Thank you.

Jesus:
Ruth asks the following question and she said: “You said the lesson of the cross is forgiveness. I seem to understand lately that forgiveness turns to understanding in the mind of God because God understands why we behave/judge etc the way we do. So is forgiveness understanding ourselves? What’s the fine line between that and condoning? Or maybe how do I forgive myself or others? Is it to try to understand?”

Jesus:
Well, we are… here’s a good way of putting it. The better way of putting it is that forgiveness heals all. There is no separation. There is no differentiation. You are not a body. You are spirit. You see, the only thing that seems different is the body. But you are not a body. Forgiveness is realizing that the thing you thought happened didn’t happen at all. You see, so you have nothing to forgive. There’s no one to be forgiven.
The thing that you want to forgive is your own projection of a thought onto what seems to be another or your environment or your experience. Does that make sense?

Ruth:
Yes. Wonderful prayer.

Jesus:
So be lighter about that. Just accept the atonement for yourself, which means forgiveness.
And God… here’s the kicker. God does not understand you because there’s nothing of the you that seems to be separate to understand. God knows you as God created you which does not need understanding at all. God is only love. You are one with God. You must be love.

Ruth:
Yes. Thank you. Thank you.

Jesus:
Absolutely.

Jesus:
This last question is from Robin and Robin asks: “Would you please talk about how we can deal with physical pain and illness? I understand it’s an illusion and trigger like any other. So, it needs to be forgiven. However, how can I decide what to do on the level of the illusion while still experiencing seeing myself as a being in a body, especially when what one suffers from doctors have no answers for? Is the Christian science approach or prayer the best way? Or so-called energy healers or those who say they have healing ability as a result of a near-death experience. There’s so much on YouTube and elsewhere, and it feels confusing and overwhelming to know what to do. I feel the truth that there is no hierarchy of illusions, but I still long to be well.”

Jesus:
There is no hierarchy of illusions. You are correct. And it’s true that illness is an illusion. We do not give any recommendations for physical ailments or psychological ailments. But what we will do is tell you to make peace with what is and also tune in to yourself.
You can become very overwhelmed when you are in a search outside yourself. You see, so of course you tons of YouTube videos and tons of different techniques you could do, different supplements and diets and all of that to do. Which one do you do? Tune into yourself. Ask what feels most appropriate to me.
The body is an illusion. And there’s nothing wrong with wanting to feel better in the body. Don’t take it seriously. Do whatever feels right to you. We can’t tell you which one to choose. The only thing we will tell you to choose is to choose to make peace. Does that make sense?

Robin:
Yes, it absolutely makes sense. And I can drop into that peace often. So do that when I have really really bad days of pain and things though… and this has been going on actually for many years. I feel desperate at times and… not you know… not sure that I’m hearing any guidance and maybe that’s only because I’m desperate. When I feel peaceful, you know, it’s okay, but again, I would like to be well. I know it’s an illusion, but again, as long as I feel like I’m in a body, I think it’s only natural to want to feel well.

Jesus:
Absolutely. And that’s why the best thing to do is do whatever makes sense to you on the level of form. You see? And then at the same time, don’t take it seriously. Okay. The body feels like this. The best thing for me to do and the kindest thing for me to do would be to find a way to alleviate the pain. And I am going to also hand that to the Holy Spirit so I’m guided in which direction to go. And that you feel that by intuition. Thank you. You’re welcome.
So, like we were saying, there are thousands of modalities, thousands of medications, therapies, and all of that. So, you’ve got lots to look at, but the best thing to look at is the peace within. Let that guide your way. And you will find whatever it is that will be most beneficial to you. You see, and then be patient with the process.

Robin:
I think that’s my problem is I feel like I’ve been patient. Like I said, it’s been going on for years. And so then I… then I feel like I have to search for you know… what… what’s the underlying guilt or whatever that’s brought this about… and sometimes… see it’s… it’s good to do that to a certain extent but then it can also become like a weapon.

Jesus:
You see, when the ego gets hold of that, well, here’s the problem. You’re so guilty about that or you did this or whatever, instead it’s just the body is like this. Who knows why? Who knows why? That’s really the best way to look at… who knows. Sure, guilt is involved in it. It’s somewhere… that’s just the way the world is. But how can I proceed further or proceed from here with kindness? And that’s the peace of mind and making peace with it.

Robin:
Thank you very much.

Jesus:
Indeed.

Jesus:
We have enjoyed this interaction beyond words. As always we are with you no matter what. We love you. Remember to first go within, connect with that peace within, the light within you that you truly are, and let that guide you throughout your experience.
We love you and thank you once again. Namaste.