耶稣大师讲话 2025年5月3日

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耶稣：

无论此刻你觉得自己身处何方，早上好、下午好或是晚上好。一如既往，让我们全身心地活在当下，要记住，真正存在的时间唯有当下，别无其他。所以，放下一切吧，放下对过去的种种回忆，放下对未来的种种遐想，统统放下，只管进入当下这一刻。如果你愿意，现在可以闭上眼睛。

深吸一口气，缓缓呼气，释放掉任何可能阻碍你的东西。事实上，没有什么能阻碍你，我们在这里，你也在这里。

所以，和往常一样，现在是时候提醒你们真理了，这也是你们选择来此的原因，为了忆起那永恒不变的真理。这真理关乎你们的真实本质。你们要敞开心扉，去认识真正的自己，记住，小我只不过是你们虚构出的一个念头。既然是念头，就总能改变。我们要提醒你们，你们并非这具身体，你们是自由的。你们是正在做梦的心灵，而实际上，你们是灵性。试着体悟这一点吧。

这个世界不过是一场梦，一场看似时刻都在变化的梦，这意味着它是虚幻的。真理永不改变，而真理所在之处，才是你们真正的归宿。在那里，一切从未改变。所以，当你们在这场梦境中经历种种时，要时常回想这一点，提醒自己这只是一场梦。关于这点，我们有很多想说的，当然，在本次交流中，我们会尽可能全面地探讨这些内容。但你们要记住，你们始终拥有选择的权利。还记得我们说过，你们是正在做梦的心灵，而非梦中的人物吗？这意味着，你们不受身体的束缚。身体是虚幻的，它并非真实存在。但因为你们相信身体是真实的，所以生活中的种种安排，让你们以不同的方式去使用这具身体。而我们希望你们真正去倾听内在的真我，它会指引你们正确地运用身体，那就是从关于身体的梦境中醒来，从分离的梦境中醒来，从这虚幻的梦境中醒来。你们真的该醒醒了，你们肯定不想永远被困在这里，原因之一，是你们根本做不到，这里转瞬即逝，而你们真正的归宿是永恒的。你们是永恒的，身体会消亡，但你们不是身体，你们永远不会消亡，你们是永恒的存在。

我们可以就这些内容一直说下去，但我们还是想以你们能理解的方式交流，那就从回答大家提交的问题开始吧。

主持人：

谢谢你，耶稣。第一个问题来自凯瑟琳，她今天没能到场。凯瑟琳问：“你能切实讲讲如何克服焦虑成瘾吗？尤其是年轻人在这个疯狂又充满不确定性的世界里所面临的焦虑。”

耶稣：

当然可以。首先，要知道，我们现在说的是普遍意义上的焦虑，并非单指年轻人的焦虑。焦虑本身是由你们的心灵构建出来的，是可以改变的。正如我们所说，你们深信身体的存在，所以似乎被身体所掌控。身体的化学反应会引发焦虑等情绪，这些情绪至少在身体层面有所表现。所以，你们要做的是开始提醒自己：“我是心灵，并非身体。我感受到的这些焦虑并非真实的，这只是我在脑海中认同的一种想法，正因如此，它才会以一种看似真实的方式呈现出来，通过身体让我误以为某些不实之事是真的。”大家能理解吗？好的，这一点解释清楚了。

我们要针对年轻人说的是，这同样适用于任何人，孩子、成年人，都一样。年轻人正处于青春期，身体会经历一系列与生理成熟相关的化学反应，这些反应涉及许多化学物质，所以产生焦虑并不奇怪。作为年轻人，你们要尽可能多花时间提醒自己：“我现在感受到的这些焦虑情绪，并非外部经历强加给我的，而是大脑中的化学反应导致的。”我们这样解释是因为这是最容易理解的方式。年轻人常常觉得这些化学物质仿佛从外界突然袭来并攻击自己，但当你们意识到“这只是大脑中的化学系统在起作用，我应对它的唯一方法就是明白这和我的大脑有关，我不必反抗，我可以接受自己现在很焦虑这个事实，随着我逐渐成熟，这种情况会过去的”。最终，身体会不再受其困扰。当然，在成年后的生活中，你们可能还会感到焦虑，我们也可以用同样的方式来应对。道理是一样的，只不过随着心智更加成熟，你们更容易理解并采取行动，告诉自己：“这只是一种化学反应，我会做些让自己放松的事。”你们要做的是最终明白“这只是身体的反应，而这个反应存在于我的脑海中，对我来说，最好的做法是不要为此烦恼。烦恼只会让它显得更真实，我应该接纳它，因为平和能治愈一切”。我们希望你们知道，平和永远是一种选择，而且是你们应该做出的选择。你们是心灵，作为心灵，你们可以选择以平和的心态行事，这才是你们真正应该做的。

主持人：

谢谢你，耶稣。下一个问题来自瑞吉娜，瑞吉娜问：“亲爱的耶稣，根据我对领悟的理解，外在是否总是要呈现出可见的和谐共存状态呢？我和相识已久的人分开了，实际上，我和他们之间不存在真正的分离，因为这是不可能的。但在现实生活中，我们却没有在一起。按照我对领悟的理解，外在是否总是要有明显的和谐共存呢？在基督本我中，这是如何运作的呢？我需要为外在的重聚做些什么吗？我试着放下这个问题，向基督寻求指引，尽量避免在困惑中自行解答。有没有外在的明显迹象，能表明我们是按照基督的精神生活和行动的呢？内心的平和能带来外在的平和吗？难道只有内心的平和才重要吗？万物皆有所依。感谢你所做的一切。我爱你。”

耶稣：

我们也爱你。基本上，你问的这些问题本质上是一样的。答案是否定的，外在环境不一定非要反映你的内在体验。平和源自心灵，是一种内在体验。有时它会显化到外在，但心灵的平和从不依赖于外在事物。而且你要记住，实际上并不存在所谓的“外在”。基督的心灵从不会提出问题，基督只了解自己，并且深知自己即爱。能明白吗？所以，基督的心灵不存在困惑。而提出问题，实际上源自你们较低层次的心智。这样说能理解吗？

瑞吉娜：

能理解，谢谢你。

主持人：

那么，关于这个问题还需要进一步解释吗，还是已经很清楚了？看起来已经很清楚了。

耶稣：

基本上不需要了。事物不一定要在外部显化，你才能体验到平和，反之亦然。你的体验仅仅是体验而已。要知道，平和是一种心境，无论发生什么，你都可以选择拥有这种心境。哪怕你身处战区，也依然能保持内心的平和。这意味着你的心境不评判、不抵触，只是纯粹地做自己，也就是处于平和的状态。它不需要外在事物来证实自己，它只了解自己，因为它就是平和，所以只能是平和的心境。

主持人：

谢谢你。下一个问题来自卡罗琳，她今天没能来。卡罗琳问：“亲爱的耶稣，有什么确切的方法能与你取得联系呢？你是不是在我意识到自己的需求之前，就已经知晓了呢？谢谢你。我爱你。”

耶稣：

我们也爱你。事实上，我们确实在你意识到需求之前，就已经知道你需要什么了。在那些似乎认为自己是外在个体的心灵中，总是需要某些东西来证实自己。但实际上，你并不需要这些。我们只需要知道我们已然知晓的事情，而且这无需言语。你与万物合一的体验永远是真实的。想要体验这种联结，你就得放下评判之心，评判总是会成为阻碍。这适用于每一个人。你可能一整天都过得很顺利，一切似乎都很美好，但突然发生了某件事，打乱了你的节奏，你会问：“怎么回事？”要知道，在那一刻，你产生了某种评判。一旦开始评判，你就选择了让自己与整体分离。因为上帝从不评判，你与上帝合一，对你来说也是如此。还记得我们说过，你的心灵有两个部分吗？首先，你是一个心灵，它包含两个部分：正确的心智和错误的心智。在梦境般的人生体验中，你觉得自己有这两个相互冲突的部分。这就是评判，评判源自你错误的心智。这部分心智会说：“我想要存在，如果没有冲突，我就无法存在，因为没有冲突，就没有我。”这阻碍了你与圣灵的沟通，而且这种阻碍一直存在。所以，你要做的是每天都去审视自己，甚至在一天当中不断审视：“我在体验生活时，是否没有评判？还是在与生活的‘对话’中引入了评判？”如果你引入了评判，那就意味着你听从了错误心智的声音。而正确的心智会接纳、原谅并放下一切不属于它的东西。只要你时刻留意，你就始终具备这样的能力。这就是与基督沟通的确切方法。

主持人：

谢谢你，耶稣。下一个问题来自霍利斯特，他今天没能到场。霍利斯特问：“你曾回应我坚持认为自己不可能选择来到这里的想法，你说：‘我不仅选择进入一具身体，还迫不及待地排队想要进来。’这里指的是这个‘教室’，也就是这个梦境般的世界。你说我迫不及待地想要拥有一具身体。现在，这个‘课程’，或者说这场‘游戏’的目的，是在游戏中觉醒，认识到我们实际上是上帝心中的一个念头，而不是这具身体。我的问题是，偶尔享受一下冰淇淋，或者以其他充满爱意的方式宠爱自己，有什么错吗？这些身体层面的、满足小我的体验确实让人感觉良好，如果我理解正确的话，这些体验并不会对我的真实本质产生任何影响。我不觉得在身体存续期间，享受一下我曾排队‘争取’来的物质体验有什么问题。在这里尽情享受生活真的有错吗？”

耶稣：

首先，我们要说，不是“在梦中觉醒”，而是“从梦中醒来”。你要从这场梦中醒来，而不是在梦中觉醒。另外，享受冰淇淋或者其他身体认为愉悦的事情（实际上是你认为愉悦）并没有错。我们只是想提醒你，这种愉悦并非救赎。所以，不要把它太当回事。明白吗？身体想要享受冰淇淋，没问题。但如果太当真，就会把它看得过于真实，如果没吃到甚至会觉得是一种惩罚，这就太荒谬了。所以，别太当真。身体享受冰淇淋，只是因为你让它享受，这挺有意思的，你甚至可以为此开怀一笑。这些转瞬即逝的小快乐就是如此，没什么大不了的，别太当回事，记住，它们无关紧要。所以，我们绝不会建议你不要享受，因为刻意不去享受，反而会让它显得更加真实。关键在于，愉悦并非救赎。

主持人：

谢谢你，这适用于所有事物。任何物质形式的东西都不是救赎，没有例外。无论你把身体塑造得多么完美，多么健康，或者多么糟糕，无论你对身体做什么，都无关紧要，它不是救赎，只是一场荒唐的梦。

耶稣：

谢谢你。我们想提醒大家：放轻松。这段人生体验没什么大不了的。虽然从心智层面来看，它可能显得很重要，因为正如我们所说，你的心智有两个部分。正确的心智不会把它当回事，而错误的心智却会非常较真，因为错误的心智本质上就是小我心智。它会让你觉得事情必须严肃对待。你看，这种严肃性让小我在你眼中变得真实。“哦，那种感觉，肯定很重要，因为感觉很强烈，所以我应该全身心关注它，想尽办法满足它或者消除它。”无论你怎么做，只要你为之投入精力，本质上就是在说：“这是真实的。”还记得我们之前跟你们讲过的吗？小我喜欢冲突，简直是乐此不疲，因为冲突是它的“养料”。所以，你越是陷入冲突，就越在喂养小我。你越是不去关注冲突带来的感受，越是放下这些感受，而不是去分析它们、试图弄清楚这些感受背后的原因（其实你只需知道冲突源自小我就行），你就能开始放下这些感受。这样，小我在你心中的分量就会越来越轻。这并不意味着小我本身会变弱，对小我来说这很糟糕，但这也不是重点。重点是，你越来越不把小我当回事，最终你会忘记它，你会说：“哇，没什么大不了的，根本没必要较真。”

所以，再次提醒大家：严肃等同于认同小我，无论事情本身是什么。小我的有趣之处就在于，无论事情是什么，只要存在某种冲突，小我就会生机勃勃。哪怕是看似愉悦的事情，实际上也只是换了个形式的冲突。我们之前也说过：快乐和痛苦本质上是一样的，都是虚幻的，就像一枚硬币。你以为硬币有正反两面，但无论你抛出哪一面，都是同样的虚幻。大家能理解吗？虚幻就是虚幻，这一点不会改变。

我们可以一直说下去。在继续之前，还有其他问题吗？我们肯定还会继续深入探讨的。我就问这么多了，耶稣。

主持人：

下一个问题来自尼尔，尼尔问：“亲爱的耶稣，多亏了你的恩典和启示，在我儿子约翰去世近两年半后，我终于又开始真正享受生活了。但有时，我会感到一阵内疚，仿佛有个声音在对我喊：‘你都再也见不到约翰尼了，怎么还能开心得起来？这是对他的不尊重。’我仍然在与这些感受作斗争。你能帮帮我吗？谢谢你。”

耶稣：

当然可以。我们刚刚提到痛苦、快乐以及所有这些都源自小我，你说的这种情况也是如此。那些让你觉得开心有罪的想法，是你的小我想要维持自身存在的表现。你看，当你感到开心时，你和儿子是合一的；当你产生内疚感时，你就和儿子分离了。能理解吗？

尼尔：

能理解，谢谢你，耶稣。

耶稣：

不客气。所以，你越是忽略那些让你感到内疚的想法，你就越接近你的儿子。就试着放下这些想法，别一直纠结。绝对不要去分析那些冒出来的想法，比如“我应该感到难过，因为他去世了，这样才对”之类的。你只要知道，这些想法来自小我就行。首先，他并没有像那些想法暗示的那样“去世”。我们说过，身体会消亡，但灵魂是永恒的。他是永恒的，从未真正死去。只是他的身体消逝了，但他一直与你同在，他是永恒的。当你感到喜悦时，他就在你身边和你一同感受喜悦；当你感到内疚时，就好像你筑起了一道墙。

尼尔：

谢谢你，耶稣。不客气。而且，耶稣，不要因为感到内疚而自责，也别对上周自己筑起了这道墙而耿耿于怀。我们很久之前就听了你的建议，打开了他房间的门，开始整理里面的东西。很有意思，空调维修师傅说：“你得打开你儿子的房间，我要到天花板夹层里去修空调。”他有工作要做，所以我就对我妻子说：“好吧，空调师傅让我们收拾约翰尼的房间。”这倒是个不错的借口。但我想起了你说过的话，在开门之前先做好心理准备，不知怎么的，这件事并没有我想象中那么难。一开始是我妻子和女儿在收拾，我很佩服她们，后来我仿佛听到约翰尼在说：“爸爸，这现在也是你的房间了，我和你一起分享。”你知道吗，他说这不仅仅是我的房间，他想和我一起分享。他还说我可以用他的唱片机，放一些唱片。我真的能听到我儿子在这么说。你觉得这是真的吗？

耶稣：

是真的，你确实听到了你儿子的声音，千真万确。实际上，就连修空调这件事也和他有关。

尼尔：

不好意思，耶稣，请你再说一遍。

耶稣：

就连和修空调相关的所有事都和他有关。因为他可能在想：“看来我爸爸准备好面对这一切了，那不如让空调出点问题，给他一个契机吧。”

尼尔：

哇，太神奇了，耶稣。这太美好了，谢谢你。不客气。我想问问，我听一位《奇迹课程》的老师讲过，课程里说每个人都有一套非常个性化的觉醒课程安排，是这样吗？我不太确定我理解得对不对，但感觉好像我们在这场梦境中经历的这些事情，是上帝计划的一部分，还是仅仅只是我们自己的梦呢？

耶稣：

你与上帝合一，所以从你和上帝合一的层面来说，这是你计划的一部分。我们说的不是“觉醒”，而是“救赎”，你可以把救赎理解为觉醒。当你接受了自我救赎，觉醒自然会随之而来。但这并不是《奇迹课程》的重点，课程的重点是宽恕。

每个人都有自己的救赎之路，“个人”这个概念看似重要，但当它不再重要时，“个人”这个词也就不适用了。也就是说，你不再纠结于“个人”。事情发生了，你就顺其自然。这就是你救赎之路的一部分。所以在学习《奇迹课程》时，不要把觉醒当作你应该追求的目标，因为课程的核心是宽恕。觉醒让人感觉好像是必须要达到的某个终点，而宽恕是你此时此刻就能理解和做到的。

尼尔：

哇，这值得好好去思考，耶稣。宽恕是不是意味着不责备呢？比如发生了某件事，我是要把责任归咎于外界，还是把它当作一个可以选择宽恕、接纳并放下的念头呢？这样理解对吗？

耶稣：

对的。我每天都在践行这一点，耶稣。我尽力做到最好，我知道其他参与者也都在努力。还有一件事，如果我们早上醒来对自己说“早上好，耶稣”，问你是否听到了这句话，这样的行为算是小我作祟吗？

耶稣：

当然不是。我们知晓一切。

尼尔：

哇。

耶稣：

我们不仅知晓一切，还能分辨真实与虚假。我们不会执着于虚假的事物，它们对我们而言并不存在，会自行消散，而我们只专注于真理。当你说“早上好，耶稣”时，你其实已经做出了一个决定，让自己的心灵与真理相契合。

尼尔：

那就愿如此吧，耶稣。非常感谢你。你做得太棒了。真的太感谢你了。我爱你。

耶稣：

我们也爱你。

主持人：

下一个问题来自尼克，尼克问：“亲爱的耶稣兄长，我内心深处明白根本无需提问，因为提问会让我执着于追寻答案，而这只会带来困惑。我明白这是一个加深信任的契机，但我却在困惑与信任之间挣扎。你能给我一些指引，帮我摆脱这种困惑吗？我发现很难放下内心唯一的渴望，这个循环一直持续，让我深陷其中。我在阅读《奇迹课程》时得到了一些启示和肯定。我目前正在研读这本书，我也时常提醒自己，圣灵才是答案，而非问题本身。这一点毋庸置疑，但困惑和恐惧依然存在。你能就这个问题再给我讲讲吗？”

耶稣：

当然可以。当你认为身体和梦境都是真实的时候，就会出现这种情况。但它们并非真实的，你不必困在这种想法里。一旦你意识到这一点，就可以开始我们之前所说的功课，也就是宽恕之路、救赎之路。你只需一步一个脚印地前行。困惑就如同任何问题或质疑一样会出现，它源于一种心智，这种心智试图让你相信自己没有领悟。有些人在学习《奇迹课程》时会有这样的想法：“这里的语言太奇怪了，这里说的好像是一回事，可书里后面的内容又好像在说别的。”但实际上，如果仔细对比，就会发现它们本质上是一样的，只是句子结构有所不同罢了。所以，在阅读文本的时候，你要让智慧自然地在心中显现，不要试图去弄清楚每一个细节，也不要总想着自己在觉醒之路上走到了哪一步，这样做只会适得其反。过度分析会让你再次陷入小我思维，用小我的视角去看待这门课程。每当困惑的感觉出现时，你要做的就是不断放下，告诉自己：“这是我的小我在作祟，我选择放下它，不去分析这种想要分析的思维。”就这样一点一点地持续放下，最终，困惑感会越来越淡，即便出现，也不会像之前那样强烈。这真的需要不断练习，持续坚持。也不要担心自己做得对不对，“我这样做对吗？”这是小我的另一个陷阱。做这件事并没有所谓的对错之分，去做就好了。能明白吗？

尼克：

我明白了。没错，确实是这样。所以要更轻松地看待这件事。就像我们之前说的，别太把它当回事。小我很喜欢把《奇迹课程》看得很严肃，即便它其实并不希望你学习这门课程，因为这意味着它的终结。它想让你在学习课程的过程中产生冲突，这样它就能继续活跃下去。你看，就是这么回事。所以，对整个事情都要看得越来越淡。

这太棒了，你刚刚给了我一个美好的肯定。我想这些话语和理解其实就在我们内心深处，但是从你口中听到，它们似乎能穿透我，让我超越自我。

耶稣：

很好。这就是你想要的：超越自我，获得自由。

尼克：

谢谢你，非常感谢。我爱你。

耶稣：

我也爱你。

主持人：

下一个问题来自乔治，乔治问：“上次我问你，我生活中的这场‘梦’，也就是我失去了生意和所有客户，这是怎么回事。你回答我说：‘是时候进行一种不同的学习了。你即将学到更深刻的一课，做好准备。’两天后，公司把我解雇了。我71岁了，之前从未被解雇过。这就是你说的那件事吗？还是说还有别的事情在等着我？我想我对在这场‘梦’之外的信任有些困惑。我唯一的现实是灵性，而灵性永远处于恩典之中。所以，信任本应是自然而然的。但在这场梦里，我还是不想遭遇车祸，也不想无家可归。所以我想说，在梦里，什么事情都可能发生，而这都可以被称为宽恕的一课。那么，信任对我有什么帮助呢？”

耶稣：

首先，这件事里其实也有一些值得玩味的地方。这并不是说你的经历本身好笑，而是看待这件事的角度。我们确实说过你要学到更深刻的一课。如果从灵性的层面来看这堂课，它的意义是：“这一定意味着我可以用不同的视角来看待这件事。”而这就是你需要做出的选择。你可能并不清楚具体该怎么做，但可以确定的是，这是一条通往平和的道路。重点不是你被解雇这件事，而是你想要从不同角度看待它的意愿，这才是更深刻的一课。你提到的宽恕是正确的，因为一切都关乎宽恕。信任意味着相信这就是你要学习的课程，相信发生这一切的目的只是让你知道，你是被关爱的。我们所说的话从不针对事情的表象。所以，当我们说有更深刻的一课，而在你生活的表象层面，你被解雇了，这两者其实并无关联。我们的意思是，被解雇是发生在表象层面的事，而我们所说的那堂课与表象无关。能理解吗？

乔治：

我理解。我唯一担心的是，我感觉自己不得不关注表象层面的事情。你知道的，我得买汽车保险，还有其他各种事情……所以我们想说的是，你说的那堂课，和物质世界里的任何事情都没有关系，它关乎你的认知方式。

耶稣：

没错。从物质层面来说，照顾好自己、购买保险之类的事情是合理的。当然，我们会说，你需要做什么就去做吧。

乔治：

我在想，我是否有能力在物质层面做好我该做的事情。我也想知道，圣灵会不会在这方面帮助我，还是说我只能默默承受一切。你明白我的意思吗？

耶稣：

我们能告诉你的就是，去做那些能给你带来最大平和感的事情，这样你就知道自己是在与圣灵同行。

乔治：

好的。我知道答案了。我只是在寻找一些……我也不知道自己在找什么。我记得《奇迹课程》里大概在第195课有一句话：“如果你知晓了这一点，还有什么是你无法接受的呢？”我觉得这句话说的是圣灵会照顾好你的一切。你知道这句话吗？

耶稣：

当然知道。

乔治：

这句话的意思是在物质层面我们也会得到照顾吗？

耶稣：

是这样的。假设你现在处于某种状况中，并且知道在物质层面采取哪些行动能让你获得最大的平和感。如果你这样做了，那你就是在完全与圣灵协作。这就是我们能给你的最好建议：基本上，如果你是以平和的心态去行动，那你就是在被灵性引导着去做一些有用的事，或者能让你获得平和的事。

乔治：

好的，非常感谢。我爱你。

耶稣：

不客气。

主持人：

下一个问题来自朱莉，朱莉问：“有没有简单的方法能让我们时刻与圣灵同在，并且把每个人都视为无罪的呢？”

耶稣：

实际上是有的。首先要明确，从物质思维的角度出发，是不可能把每个人都看作无罪的。所以，你需要回归内心，选择与圣灵同行，而不是受外在思维的影响。能理解吗？

朱莉：

能理解。活在当下其实就是要做到这一点：放下对外在的执着，更多地从平和的内心去看待事物。

耶稣：

所以，不是用肉眼去看。

朱莉：

哦，肉眼可以看，只是你得放下评判。

耶稣：

哦，你之前提到的时候我就知道你会这么说。永远要放下评判，这对我这个虚构的“我”来说真的很难。

耶稣：

所以，这就是你的任务：每当那种评判的思维出现，就尽你所能放下它，而它随时都可能出现。你要时刻做出新的选择。

朱莉：

这有点累人。

耶稣：

当你不再那么较真，就不会觉得那么累了。

朱莉：

好的。我今天还有个关于这方面的小问题。我知道你一直传达的信息是要放轻松，别太当真，但在我心里，《奇迹课程》是非常严肃的，尤其是它的文本内容。所以……我知道你要说什么，你会让我放下对文本的评判。

耶稣：

嗯，没错。同时，这些文本是由非常严肃的人撰写（实际上是通灵传递）的，这并不是坏事。你不要评判信息本身，也不要评判传递信息的人。

朱莉：

为什么是那些严肃的人呢？是因为只有这样，人们才会认真对待吗？

耶稣：

有可能。这样能在不同的层面产生影响。如果这些内容是传达给那些更关注形而上学的人，它可能会带有很强的形而上学框架和意味，不一定能像现在这样被这么多人理解。

朱莉：

如果这些信息是通过非常快乐、开朗的人传递出来的，难道就不能传达同样的信息吗？

耶稣：

那样无法传达出信息的精髓。重点是要放下这个世界。如果你一门心思只想着让世界变得快乐，那你就会想要留在这个世界。但实际上，真正的信息是宽恕这个世界，然后放下它。这确实是很严肃的事情。对小我来说，这感觉非常严肃。但无论你在何种思维体系中接触到这些内容，都会遇到这种严肃性，因为这就是我们所熟知的，因为小我只知道这些。

朱莉：

是的。因为这就是小我。小我会说：“我不想消失。”而你会说：“你根本不会消失，因为你一开始就不存在。”所以不要把小我太当回事。从一开始出现的这种分裂来看，人格似乎就此产生了。这适用于每一个人。这个人格就是小我。人格以为它就是你，你也以为它就是你，而所有的觉醒都与放下这种个人身份、这种分离的自我有关。那之后会怎样呢？你会感觉自己好像不存在了。如果没有这个世界，那你似乎也不在这里了。这很可怕，小我根本无法接受，因为那样它就没有容身之所了。

耶稣：

但无论如何，就像我们说的，无论你在何种思维体系中遇到这些，都会面临这个问题，因为关键就在于摆脱小我，放下一切，你才能获得自由。

朱莉：

而你做到了这些。

耶稣：

没错。但你看，我知道最终的结局是喜悦。只要你放下对自我的执着，放下那种严肃性，即便你似乎还身处这个世界，也能体验到那种喜悦。

朱莉：

请再说一遍。

耶稣：

只要你放下对自我的执着，那种严肃性就会消失。

朱莉：

好的，非常感谢你。

耶稣：

不客气。我们一直说这很简单，只是做起来不总是那么容易。

朱莉：

确实如此。真的不容易。但你越是努力，就会感觉越轻松，事情似乎也变得不那么重要了，你会越来越自由。

耶稣：

然后，你仅仅做自己，就能让他人获得自由。你甚至无需刻意为之，什么都不用做，只需要以真实的自己存在。我太爱你了。就做真实的自己，而不是仅仅“存在”。你就做自己就好。我们也爱你。

主持人：

下一个问题来自露丝，露丝问：“我参加一个教会活动已经有14年了，我和那里的精神领袖建立了很亲密的关系，我甚至称呼他为‘父亲’。他曾告诉我，我们出现在彼此的生命中，是为了让他向我展示爱的真谛，当时我正处于婚姻困境中。我一直都有融入不了集体的感觉，他也知道这一点。有个周日，他亲吻了我，还说这是‘在上帝的旨意下’必须要做的事。当时我丈夫在外面和其他人聊天。他解释说他是受圣灵的指引才这么做的，我虽然照做了，但心里一直怀疑这样做是否正确。随着时间的推移，我越来越困惑，还背负着沉重的负罪感。我觉得自己被操纵、被利用了。尤其让我困扰的是，这段关系竟然被认为是上帝的指引。真的是这样吗？我要如何分辨你的指引和我小我作祟的想法呢？我感到迷茫和无助，不知道该如何前行。我要怎样才能从这段经历带来的内疚和困惑中走出来呢？”

耶稣：

好的，我们从头说起。就你描述的情况而言，这显然存在某种操纵行为。但当下的关键是，你要如何对待这些信息。此刻，你要在心里提醒自己：“我不是外界环境的受害者，这也是我自己做出的一个决定。”当然，因为这件事涉及到很多小我的因素，所以你会感到内疚。别在意这种内疚感，放下它，你没有错。这只是一次学习的经历。你从中了解到这不是你想要的，你真正想要的是与灵性相通所带来的真正的圆满，而这与身体接触、具体情境或特定经历无关。灵性永远是完美的，它不需要任何外在的东西。所以，对于这段经历，你要这样想：“我有过这样一段经历，我要正视它、宽恕它，并且要知道我不会再让类似的事情发生。我绝对不会再让它发生。我在基督之中是完整且圆满的，基督是永恒的。无论发生什么，你都没有错，你是自由的。”

露丝：

谢谢你。过去的就让它过去吧，过去已经结束了。当下才是唯一真实且永恒的。我们所说的当下，不是物质层面的当下，而是灵性层面的当下，是永恒，是光。谢谢你。放轻松，别让自己陷入内疚。但如果感到内疚，就原谅自己有这种感觉，放下它，提醒自己：“我是上帝的孩子，我不会受到伤害，不会被操纵。我与基督永恒合一。”

耶稣：

谢谢你，非常感谢。

露丝：

我现在感受到的恐惧，有没有可能是前世创伤留下的后遗症呢？

耶稣：

不可能。我们教导的是，过去并不存在，只有当下。此时此刻，一切都是完美的。所以，尽可能地去体悟这个永恒的当下吧。

露丝：

好的。如果感到内疚，就提醒自己：“我要放下这种感觉，我要活在当下，我在当下是永恒的存在。”

耶稣：

没错。最后，你能帮我回忆一下我来到这里之前的生活吗？

耶稣：

没办法，因为没有所谓“之前的生活”。在你来到这里体验生活之前，以及现在，真正的生活一直都存在，没有过去，只有当下。当你按照我们所说的去体悟当下，你就与真实的自己合一了，而这正是你一直在追寻的。

露丝：

好的。那为什么我们似乎都不记得了呢？

耶稣：

因为最初，有了一个与上帝分离的念头。这个念头本就不可能实现，而出于你的选择，它带来了内疚感。这种内疚感太过强烈，于是你创造出了另一个“自我”，也就是小我，用它来保护自己，免受因与上帝分离而产生的内疚感的折磨。小我竖起了一道屏障，让你忘记了自己的真实身份，只专注于物质世界，这个充满幻象的世界。所以看起来你好像忘记了一切，但真实的你从未忘记。真实的你永远都了解你自己，没有什么能改变这一点。

露丝：

这就是你说的“从梦中醒来”而不是“在梦中醒来”的区别吗？

耶稣：

没错。因为如果是“在梦中醒来”，你只是开始有所察觉，但仍然身处梦中。而你要“从梦中醒来”，这样才能意识到这是一场梦，并且实际上你根本不在梦中。线性思维很难理解这一点，所以你就记住这是一场梦就好。“从梦中醒来”的意思就是，你要彻底从这场梦中脱离出来，而不是在梦中觉醒。

露丝：

我需要做些什么才能从这场梦中醒来呢？

耶稣：

你什么都不用做，只需要接受真理，接纳现实，与之和平共处。这就是唯一要做的事。

露丝：

好的，好的。不客气。爱你，谢谢你。

耶稣：

我们也爱你。

耶稣：

看起来本次交流就要结束了。一如既往，这是一段美好的时光。要记住，时间并不存在，我们必须时常提醒你们这一点。尽可能地保持轻松的心态，别把事情看得太严重。我们知道这并不容易，但只要一点一点地放下，就会越来越轻松。多去体悟真实的自己，也就是灵性。多花时间思考这些，让它指引你的生活。我们爱你们，我们会一直与你们同在，永远。这又是一段美好的时光。合十礼。

原文段落

Jesus:

Good morning, good afternoon, or good evening depending on where you seem to think you are. As always, let us all come into this moment now, remembering that the only time that is, is now. There is nothing else. So, let it all go. That’s any thoughts of the past, any future musings; just let it all go. Just enter into this moment. Now, you can close your eyes if you want.

Take a deep breath and breathe, releasing anything that may seem to stand in your way. There is nothing, and we are here, and you are as well.

So, as always, it’s a good time for us to remind you of truth, which is why you chose to attend, to be reminded of truth, the truth that never changes. This is true about who you really are. You want to open yourself to who you really are, remembering that the ego is simply a thought that you made up. And being a thought, it can always be changed. We want to remind you that you are not a body. You are free. You are the mind that is dreaming, and in truth, you are spirit. Breathe into that.

This world is but a dream, a dream that seems to be shifting and changing all the time, which means it’s an illusion. Truth never changes, and truth is where you truly abide. You see, in that, it’s never changed. So, you really want to recall that to your mind as you have your experiences in the dream, reminding yourself it is but a dream. We’ve got lots to say about that, and we will, of course, touch on all of those things as much as we can throughout this session. But we want you to remember that you always have a choice. Remember how we said you are the mind that is dreaming, not the figure in the dream. Meaning, you are not beholden to a body. The body is illusion. The body doesn’t really exist. But because you believe the body does, all these setups in your life that help you to use the body in different ways. And what we want is for you to really tune in to your true self, who will guide you in the ways in which to actually use the body, which is always going to be to awaken from the dream of the body, the dream of separation, the dream that is the illusion. You really want to wake up. You really don’t want to hang out here forever because, number one, you can’t. This is ephemeral. Where you truly are is eternal. You are eternal. The body dies. You are not a body. You never die. You are forever.

So, we can go on and on with all of that, but we’d like to begin to talk to you in ways that you can also understand, and that would be through answering questions that have been submitted.

Moderator:

Thank you, Jesus. The first question is from Katherine, who is not here today. However, Katherine asks, “Can you explain how to overcome anxiety as an addiction in a practical way, especially as young adults experience it in this crazy uncertain world?”

Jesus:

Absolutely. So, first of all, you have to be willing that we’re just talking in general, not specifically to young adults at this moment, but just anxiety in and of itself is a construct, you see, of the mind that you can always change. And like we said, you believe fully in the body, and so you seem to be ruled by the body. That would be the chemical reactions, which would be the anxieties and so on, as they manifest physically or seem to, at least. So, what you want to do is begin to remember, “I am a mind and not a body. These anxieties that I may feel are not true. They are something that I have agreed upon in my mind, and therefore, it presents in such a way that will feel very real. That would be through using the body to convince yourself of something that isn’t true.” Does that make sense to everyone? Okay. So, we got that part out.

What we wanted to explain about young adults—this will also help anybody, could be a child, adult, anyone. When you are a young adult, that means you are an adolescent. Your body seems to go through all of these chemical scenarios that have to do with physical maturity or physical maturing, and that entails lots of chemicals. So, the anxiety is not unusual. So, what you want to do as a young adult is take the time, as much as you can, to remind yourself, “These feelings that I’m feeling, these anxieties, are not something that is thrust upon me by my outer experience, but something that’s going on chemically in the brain.” We’re using this as a way to explain it because it is the easiest thing to grasp. When you are a young adult, it feels like those chemicals come from way out in the ethers and just attack you somehow. But when you can realize, “Okay, this is a chemical system that’s going off in the brain, and the only way that I can handle it is to recall that it’s something to do with my brain, and I don’t have to attack it back. I can make peace with the fact that I seem to have a lot of anxiety. This too shall pass as I mature.” Eventually, the body just lets it go. But, of course, throughout your experience, you may again feel anxiety in adulthood, which is what we also want to address in the same way. It’s the same thing. You see, only because you are more mature in mind, it’s easier for you to see it that way and take the steps and say, “Okay, this is just that chemical reaction, and I’ll do whatever I need to do to be easy about it.” You see, and what you want to do is eventually just say, “It’s a body reaction that is in my mind, and the most kind thing for me to do is not get upset about it. Getting upset about it makes it more real, but instead, making peace with it because peace heals.” And we want you to know that peace is always an option and, in fact, the option you want to make. You see, you are a mind, and as a mind, you can choose to operate from the mind of peace, and that’s what you really want.

Moderator:

Thank you, Jesus. The next question is from Regina, and Regina asks, “Dear Jesus, according to my understanding of realization, does a visible coexistence interacting together etc. always have to follow on the outside as well? I have separated from people I’ve known for a long time. In truth, there is no separation from them as there cannot be. But life in form doesn’t seem to have us together. According to my understanding of realization, does a visible externalized coexistence always have to follow as well? How does it work in Christ our self? Do I have to do something for external reunification? I try to surrender the question and ask for guidance from Christ, thus trying not to answer it in human confusion. Are there external visible signs that indicate that we live and act from the spirit of Christ? Does inner peace lead to outer peace? Is there only inner peace? Nothing depends upon itself. Thank you for everything. I love you.”

Jesus:

We love you too. So, basically, we’re going to say that that is the same question being asked in different ways. So, no, your outside circumstance does not have to reflect your internal experience. Peace is always of mind, which is an internal experience. Sometimes it manifests in your external, but the peace of mind is never dependent upon that which is outside. And then, you also have to remember, there is no outside in truth. You see, and Christ’s mind never asks a question. Christ only knows itself and knows itself as love. You see? And so, there is no confusion in Christ. And to ask a question does actually come from your lower mind. Does that make sense?

Regina:

Yes, it does. Thank you.

Moderator:

So, is there any elaboration that needs to be given for this, or is that clear? Seems to be pretty clear.

Jesus:

Basically, no. Things do not have to manifest externally in order for you to experience peace or vice versa. Your experience is simply experience. You see, peace is a state of mind and one that you choose no matter what seems to be going on. You could be living in a war zone and still have a mind of peace. That means a mind that does not judge, does not push against, and simply is itself, which is peace. It needs not externals to reaffirm itself. It only knows of itself, and being peace, there can only be peace of mind.

Moderator:

Thank you. The next question is from Carolyn, who couldn’t be here today, and Carolyn asks, “Dear Jesus, what is the surefire way to contact you? Or are you aware of my every need before I am even aware of it? Thank you. I love you.”

Jesus:

We love you too. And indeed, in fact, we know what you need before you know what your need is. You see, because in the mind that seems to believe itself external, there seems to be the need for something to validate itself. You don’t need that in truth. We don’t need to know anything but what we do know, and that needs no words. You see? So, this experience of you, one with all that is, is always true. Now, for you to experience the connection, you have to let go of your mind of judgment. It is judgment that always gets in the way. This goes for everyone. You could be going along just fine in your day; things seem to be great. Then, all of a sudden, something seems to arise, seems to throw you off, and you say, “What happened?” Always know that in that moment, there was some kind of judgment. You see, as soon as you begin to judge, you choose to separate yourself. For God never judges. God simply accepts, and being one with God, that is true for you as well. Remember how we have talked about the fact that you have two parts to your mind. Number one, you are a mind, and you have the two parts: you have your right mind and your wrong mind. And so, in your experience in the dream, you think that you have these two sides that are always in conflict with one another. Well, that’s judgment. Judgment comes from your wrong mind. That’s the part of you that says, “I want to exist. I can’t exist unless I have conflict because if I don’t have conflict, there is no me.” And that is a block to the awareness of your communication, which is with the Holy Spirit. And it is eternally so. You see? And so, what you want to do is tune in every day and, in fact, tune in throughout the day to check to see, “Am I flowing with my experience without judgment, or have I introduced judgment to the conversation?” If you ever introduce judgment into the conversation, you know that you have chosen to listen to your wrong mind a little bit. Your right mind simply accepts, forgives, and lets go of anything that is not of itself. And you always have that ability as you remain mindful of that. You see, so that is a surefire way of communication with Christ.

Moderator:

Thank you, Jesus. This next question is from Hollister, who couldn’t be here today, but Hollister asks, “You once responded to my stubborn insistence that I couldn’t possibly have chosen to come here with: ‘I not only chose to come into a body, I impatiently waited in line to get in here.’ Here being the classroom, the dream aka the world. I couldn’t wait to occupy a body, is what you told me. Now, the class or the purpose of the game is to wake up inside the game or to who or rather what we actually are: a thought in the mind of God, not this body. My question is this: What is wrong with enjoying ice cream some days or however you pamper yourself in a loving way? These bodily egoic experiences do feel good, and if I completely understand, they do nothing to add or subtract from who I really am. I don’t see anything wrong with enjoying the physical experience I waited in line to get into while the body lasts. Is there anything wrong with actually enjoying yourself in here?”

Jesus:

So, first of all, we want to say that it’s not “wake up in the dream,” but “wake up from the dream.” You see, so you want to wake up from it, not in it. And the other part is, there’s nothing wrong with enjoying an ice cream or whatever pleasure that you find the body thinks it has, which is actually what you think it has. There’s nothing wrong with that. The only thing we want to remind you of is that that pleasure is not salvation. So, you don’t take it seriously. Okay? The body wants to enjoy an ice cream. That’s fine. If I took it seriously, that makes it really real and turns it into some kind of punishment if I do that. Well, that’s silliness. So, you don’t take it seriously. The body enjoys ice cream because I told it to. That’s kind of funny. You could laugh about it. These silly passing pleasures are just that: silly, passing, not to be taken seriously. And remember, it’s nothing. So, no, we would never recommend not enjoying it because the act of not enjoying it makes it real. You see, so the point is, pleasure is not salvation.

Moderator:

Thank you. Thank you. And that goes for everything. Nothing of form is salvation. Nothing. No matter how awesome you can make your body, no matter how healthy you can make your body, no matter how sick you can make your body, no matter how anything you can make your body, it’s nothing. It is not salvation. It is a silly dream.

Jesus:

Thank you, Jesus. Thank you. We want to remind everyone: lighten up. This experience is not serious. Although in mind, it may seem to be because, like we said, you have two parts to your mind. Your right mind doesn’t take it seriously. The wrong mind takes it very, very seriously because the wrong mind is of the ego or basically is the ego mind. It’s going to make you think that things have to be serious. See, the seriousness makes the ego real to you. “Oh, that feeling. It must be important because it feels like that. So, I should give it all my attention. Do everything I can to appease it or punish it.” It doesn’t matter which way you go as long as you’re doing something with it, which basically is saying, “This is real.” Remember how we’ve talked to you about this before: the ego loves conflict. Absolutely loves it because conflict is its food. So, the more you’re in conflict, the more you’re feeding the ego. The less you pay attention to your feelings of conflict, and the more you let those conflict feelings go rather than analyzing them and trying to figure out anything about the conflict feelings except for the fact that yes, the conflict comes from the ego. So, I can then begin to release those feelings rather than hold on to them and tell more and more stories about them. I can start letting them go. That’s what makes the ego lighter and lighter and lighter for you and to you. Not necessarily the ego to itself. It makes it very horrible to the ego, but that’s not the point either. The point is, you just take the ego less and less seriously. Eventually, you forget about it. You say, “Wow, there’s nothing, there’s nothing at all. I don’t have to take that seriously.”

So, just a reminder for everyone: seriousness equals ego identification. No matter what it’s about. See, this is the funny thing about the ego: it doesn’t matter what it’s about, as long as there’s conflict of some kind, the ego is alive and well. And even if it’s pleasure, which is appearing to be pleasant, but actually, it’s the same conflict taking a different form. We have said this before too: pleasure and pain are the same thing. Same thing. It’s all illusion. Same thing. It is a coin. You believe the coin has two sides. No matter what side you flip it to, it’s the same illusion. Does that make sense to everyone? An illusion is an illusion is an illusion. And that’s not going to stop.

So, we could go on and on and on. Is there anything else before we go on and on and on? And we will go on and on and on. That’s all I have, Jesus.

Moderator:

This next question is from Neil, and Neil asks, “Dear Jesus, thanks to your grace and revelation, I’m finally starting to really enjoy life again, almost 2 and a half years after my son John passed away. But sometimes, I feel pangs of guilt which seem to shout at me, ‘How can you be happy when you can’t see Johnny anymore? It’s disrespectful to him.’ So, I still struggle with those feelings. Can you help us with that? Thank you.”

Jesus:

Absolutely. So, what we were just saying about pain and pleasure and all of that being of the ego, it’s this same thing. This is also that. So, those thoughts that come in and say you should feel guilty for feeling good, that’s your ego wanting to stay alive. You see, when you feel good, your son is one with you. When you start feeling feelings of guilt, you separate from your son. Does that make sense?

Neil:

Yes. Thank you, Jesus.

Jesus:

You’re welcome. So, the more that you ignore those feelings or those thoughts that say you should feel guilty, the closer and closer you come to your son. So, and we just try to let them go and not hang on to themselves. Absolutely. So, don’t try to analyze the thoughts that come up that say, “Well, you should feel bad, or this is wrong because he’s dead and all of that.” Just know that that’s your ego. Number one, he’s not dead in the sense that it’s trying to tell you. Like, you know, we have said, the body dies, but the spirit is eternal. He is eternal. He never died. In form, the form died, but he is always with you. And he is eternal. You see? And when you feel joy, he’s right there with you feeling joy. When you feel guilt, it’s like you put a wall up.

Neil:

Thank you, Jesus. You’re welcome. And then, don’t feel guilty about feeling guilty and noticing that that was a wall that you put up just last week, Jesus. Um, we took your advice from quite some time ago. We opened his door to his room and started arranging things. It was funny because the air conditioner guy said, “Look, you got to open your son’s room because I got to get up into the crawl space to fix the AC.” And so, you got a job to do. So, I said to my wife, “Okay, well, you got orders from the AC guy to fix Johnny’s room.” So, it’s a good excuse. It is. But I thought about what you said about, you know, just kind of preparing ourselves emotionally before we open the door, and somehow it wasn’t as hard as I thought, you know, and my wife and my daughter did it originally, and I give them a lot of credit, but I started to hear Johnny saying, “Dad, this is your room now, too. I’ll share it with you.” You know, it’s not just my room. I want to share it with you. You know, you have my record player. You can use that. I want you to play some records on my record player. I want you to do that." And I could actually hear my son saying that. You think that’s true?

Jesus:

Yes, it is. And you are hearing your son. You are absolutely hearing your son. In fact, everything that happened with the AC had to do with him, too.

Neil:

I’m sorry. Say that again, please, Jesus.

Jesus:

Even everything that had to do with the AC had to do with him. Because he said, “Well, it seems like my dad is ready. So, how about messing with the AC and kind of give him a running start?”

Neil:

Oh, that’s so amazing, Jesus. And wow, that’s beautiful. Thank you. And you’re welcome. You know, I wonder, there’s a part in the course that I heard a teacher of the course speaking about. He said, “Do you not say in the course that to each person a very individualized curriculum is given for their enlightenment?” Um, I try, I don’t know if I’m getting that right, but it almost seems like, so this stuff that we go through in the dream, is it part of God’s plan, or is it just our dream?

Jesus:

You’re one with God, you’re one with God, so it’s part of your plan as in the oneness you share with God. You see, and it’s not enlightenment that we talked about. We talked about your atonement, which you could think of as your enlightenment. So, when you accept the atonement for yourself, enlightenment is sure to follow. You see, but that’s not the point of the course. The point of the course is forgiveness.

So, everyone has their personal atonement path while personal seems important. Once personal doesn’t seem important, the term personal doesn’t apply. Meaning, you forget about personal. It just is. These things come up, and you just go with the flow. And that’s just what seems to happen. That’s part of your atonement path. You see, so never talk about enlightenment as something that you should achieve in the course because the point of it is forgiveness. Enlightenment feels as if it’s something that one must reach. Forgiveness is something you can grasp right here and right now.

Neil:

Wow. That’s a lot to meditate on, Jesus. You know, is forgiveness rather than blame? You see, so you have something come up. Am I going to project blame on the situation, or am I going to accept it as a thought that I can choose to forgive, make peace with, and let go? Does that make sense?

Jesus:

Yes. I work on that every day, Jesus. I try to do my best, and I know all of our other attendees do that too. Absolutely. And so, just one other thing: if we wake up in the morning and say, “Good morning, Jesus,” is it really egoic to ask, like, are you aware of my saying good morning to you?

Jesus:

Absolutely. We’re aware of everything.

Neil:

Wow.

Jesus:

Not only are we aware of everything, but we’re also aware of everything that is true and everything that isn’t. We don’t hold on to what is not true. It just simply doesn’t exist. It just goes away, and we focus only on truth. You see, when you say, “Good morning, Jesus,” you have made a decision to attune your mind to truth.

Neil:

Well, let it be so, Jesus. Thank you so much. Thank you. You’re doing a great job. Thank you. Thank you so much. I love you. Thank you. We love you too.

Moderator:

The next question is from Nick, and Nick asks, “Dear beloved brother Jesus, there is a place within that knows absolutely there is no need for questions, for questions keep me focused on chasing answers which simply cause confusion. I see this as an opportunity for deeper trust but feel caught between the confusion and trust. Can you please offer some guidance for me to release this confusion? I’m finding it difficult to let go to my only heart’s desire, and the loop continues. This is where I feel stuck. I did get some information, some confirmation when I picked up ‘A Course in Miracles.’ I’m going through the text at present, and I turn to remember that the Holy Spirit is the answer, not the question. This is undeniable, yet confusion/fear still remains. Please, can you speak more on this for me?”

Jesus:

Absolutely. So, that is the case. That is the case when you believe the body is real and who you are, and that the dream is real. It is not real. You don’t have to stay in that thought. You see, once you come into awareness of that, you begin to do the work that we’ve laid out before you, which is the forgiveness path, the pathway of atonement. And you take the steps as you go along. The confusion comes in just as any question or questioning comes in, and that is the mind that wants to convince you that you didn’t get it. And so, what it does sometimes with the course is, “This is the craziest language here. He seems to say one thing here, and then later on in the book, it seems like he’s saying something else.” But really, if I look at it side by side, it is the same thing, only perhaps in a different sentence structure. So, what you want to do is, as you are reading the text, just allow the wisdom to dawn upon your mind. Don’t try to figure it out. Don’t try to see how far along you are in awakening. That defeats the purpose. You get locked into that too much analyzing, and you’re back in with the ego, looking at the course with the ego. So, you just want to keep releasing, and how you do that is, every time the feeling of confusion comes up, “That’s my ego. I’m just going to let it go. I’m not going to analyze the mind of analysis.” Just going to keep letting it go, little by little. Eventually, it’ll be lighter and lighter, and it won’t keep coming up, at least not in a way that seems so loud. So, it really is about practice and just a consistent practice. And don’t worry about if you’re doing it right. That’s another ego trap: “Am I doing this right?” There’s no right or wrong way of doing it. Just do it. Does that make sense?

Nick:

Yes, it does. Yes. Yes. So, be lighter about it. And really, like we said earlier, don’t take it so seriously. The ego loves to take the course seriously. Even though it doesn’t want you to even do the course because that’s its end, it wants to make you feel in conflict with the course, which keeps it active. You see? So, take the whole thing lighter and lighter.

That’s wonderful. You’ve just given me a beautiful affirmation. And I guess these words and understandings are just below the surface, but actually hearing them from you, it seems to penetrate to a place that I can get past myself.

Jesus:

Beautiful. And that’s what you want: get past yourself. Be free.

Nick:

Thank you. Thank you so much. I love you.

Jesus:

Love you too.

Moderator:

The next question is from George, and George asks, “Last time I asked what was happening in my life, my dream that is, regarding the loss of my business and all my clients. I quote your answer: ‘It’s time for a different kind of learning. You’re going to be learning a deeper lesson. Get ready.’ Two days later, the company terminated me. I am 71 and have never been let go from a job before. Was that the event to which you were referring, or is something else still on the horizon? I guess I am confused about trust from outside the dream. My only reality is spirit, and spirit is in a state of grace forever. So, trust is automatic, a given. But from inside the dream, I still do not want to get in a car accident or become homeless. So, I guess I’m saying that in the dream, anything could happen, and it could just be called a forgiveness lesson. I’m wondering then, how does trust help me?”

Jesus:

Okay, so first of all, there has to be some humor in this. Not to say your experience is humorous, but the way it is presented. We did say that there’s a deeper lesson. And if you were looking at the lesson from the level of spirit, it is, “This must mean I have a different way that I can perceive this.” And that’s the choice I need to make. I may not know what that really is, but I can be certain that this is a pathway to peace. Not your being fired, but your desire to see it from a different perspective. And that is the deeper lesson. And you are correct about forgiveness because it is always forgiveness. The trust has to do with trusting that that is the lesson, that there is nothing more that is meant by any of this but for you to know that you are cared for. And what we have to say is never addressing form. So, when we said there is a deeper lesson, and then on the level of form in your experience, you got fired, that has nothing to do with each other. What we mean by that is, the firing happens on the level of form. Our lesson for you that we were talking about did not have to do with the level of form. Does that make sense?

George:

Yes. My one concern is, it feels like I have to be concerned with form. You know, I have to buy car insurance. I have to… So, the point we were trying to make is, the thing that we talked about, your lesson, does not have to do with anything from the world of form; it has to do with how you perceive.

Jesus:

Yeah. No, it was just taking care of yourself and insurance and all of that makes sense on the level of form. And of course, we would say, do whatever you need to do.

George:

I guess I’m wondering whether it will be possible for me to do what I need to do on the level of form. And I’m wondering if the Holy Spirit somehow takes care of that, or I just take my lumps, whatever they happen to be. You know what I’m saying?

Jesus:

Well, all we can say to you is, do whatever brings the greatest sense of peace. Then, you know you’re doing it with the Holy Spirit.

George:

Yeah. I know what the answer is. I’m just looking for some… I don’t know what I’m looking for. There’s a line, I think it’s lesson 195, where it says, “What could you not accept if you knew that?” And I think they’re referring to the Holy Spirit will take care of everything for you. Do you know that line?

Jesus:

Yes, of course.

George:

Does that mean that on the level of form, we’re being taken care of?

Jesus:

Okay, here’s what it is. Let’s say you’re in the situation that you’re in right now, and you know the next steps you should take on the level of form that will bring the greatest sense of peace. If you’re doing that, you are working 100% with the Holy Spirit. That’s the best we can give: basically, if you’re doing it in that peace, you are being guided by spirit towards something that will work or something that will bring peace.

George:

Right. Thank you very much. I love you.

Jesus:

You’re welcome.

Moderator:

This next question is from Julie, and Julie asks, “Is there a simple way to stay in the presence of the Holy Spirit to see everyone as innocent?”

Jesus:

Yes, actually. And the first thing we’ll say is, from operating in the mind of form, it is not possible to see everyone as innocent. So, you need to go back to your mind and choose to move with the Holy Spirit rather than your external mind. Does that make sense?

Julie:

Yes. And to be in the present moment is to do exactly that: let go of the mind of the external and be more inwardly viewing from the mind of peace.

Jesus:

So, not using the physical eyes.

Julie:

Oh, you can use the physical eyes. You just have to get rid of your judgment.

Jesus:

Oh, I knew you were going to say that when you mentioned it earlier. Always letting go of judgment. That’s really difficult for mythical me, this one.

Jesus:

So, that’s your job: to let go of that way of thinking to the best of your ability every time it pops up, which is every second. Every second, choose again.

Julie:

Kind of tiring.

Jesus:

It will be less and less tiring as you take it less and less seriously.

Julie:

Okay. I had a little question about that from today. So, I know your message is always to lighten up, don’t take it seriously, but in this one’s mind, the course is pretty serious, especially the text. So, how… I know what you’re going to say. You’re going to tell me to let go of my judgment of the text.

Jesus:

Well, yeah. And at the same time, the text is written or actually was channeled by those who are very serious. And that’s not a bad thing. You see, you don’t judge the message. Don’t judge the messenger.

Julie:

Why those two? Why the serious ones? Because that is the only way it would be taken seriously?

Jesus:

That could be it. It reaches on a different level. If we came in to those who were more metaphysically focused, it would take on a very metaphysical framework or sense and wouldn’t necessarily reach as many minds as it is now.

Julie:

And if it came through super joyous, happy people, would that not get the message across?

Jesus:

It wouldn’t get the message across. The point of this is to let the world go. If you’re all about making the world a joyous place, it’s a place you want to stay. And really, truly, the message is to forgive the world and let it go. That’s pretty serious. It does feel very serious to the ego. But no matter what thought system you encounter this in, you’re going to come up against this seriousness because it’s all we know, because the ego is all the ego knows.

Julie:

Yes. Because that is the ego. The ego says, “I don’t want to die.” You say, “Well, you’re not going to die because you don’t exist in the first place.” So, you don’t take the ego seriously. See, with this whole split that seemed to have occurred at the beginning, the personality seemed to come about. This goes for everyone. That personality is the ego. The personality thinks that it is you, and you think that it is you, and that all of this awakening has to do with releasing that personal identity, that separate self. What happens to you then? You don’t exist. If there is no world, then you’re not really here. That’s very frightening. That doesn’t go over well with the ego because then where is its home?

Jesus:

But no matter, like we said, no matter what thought system you encounter this in, you’re going to come up against this because that’s the point: release from the ego, let it all go, and you are free.

Julie:

And that’s what you did.

Jesus:

Absolutely. But see, I knew that the end is joy. And that joy you can experience while you seem to still be here as long as you let go of you, the seriousness of you.

Julie:

Say that again.

Jesus:

As long as you let go of you, the seriousness of you goes.

Julie:

Yes. Thank you so much.

Jesus:

You’re welcome. Absolutely. We always say it’s very simple; it’s just not always easy.

Julie:

That’s true. It isn’t. It really isn’t. But the more you go for it, the lighter you feel, the less important things seem to be, and you become freer and freer.

Jesus:

And then, I can free other people just by being you. You don’t even do anything. There’s nothing for you to do. You just exist as that. I love you so much. Be that instead of exist. You be that. We love you too.

Moderator:

The next question is from Ruth, and Ruth asks, “I’ve been attending a church for about 14 years, and I developed a close relationship with the spiritual leader whom I came to call dad. He told me we were in each other’s lives so he could demonstrate the true meaning of love to me at the time. This made me feel very special as I was struggling in my marriage. I had long struggled with feelings of not fitting in, and he knew this about me. One Sunday, he kissed me and said it was something that had to be done ‘under God.’ My husband was outside socializing at the time. When he explained that he only acted as led by the Holy Spirit, I complied, but I questioned whether this was right. Over time, however, I’ve grown increasingly confused and burdened with guilt. I feel manipulated and used. I’m especially troubled by the idea that this relationship was supposedly led by God. Was it? How can I distinguish your guidance from my own ego? I feel lost and stuck, unsure of how to move forward. How can I heal from the guilt and confusion caused by this experience?”

Jesus:

Okay, so first of all, we’ll just address it from the beginning. What we are going to say is that if what you just said is how it went, then of course, that was a manipulation of some sort. But the point right now is what you do with that information. What you do with this information right here and now is you remind your mind of this: “I am not a victim of external circumstances. That was also a decision that I made,” which, of course, because it was a situation that very much entailed the ego, guilt seems to be there. Don’t pay attention to the guilt. Let it go. You are not guilty. It was an experience for learning. What you learned was that is not what I want. What I want is the real wholeness that communing with spirit entails, which does not involve physical bodies, situations, or experiences. Spirit is perfect forever and needs not anything. So, what you want to do with this is, “I had this experience. I have to look at it, forgive it, and know that I won’t let this happen again. I will not let this happen again. But I am whole and complete in Christ, and Christ is eternal. No matter what seems to happen, you are not guilty. You are free.”

Ruth:

Thank you. And what is in the past is the past, and the past is over. Now is the only thing that is true and eternal. And we’re not talking about now in form, but nowness as spirit, as eternity, as light. So, thank you. Thank you. Lighten up. Don’t let yourself feel guilty. But if you find yourself feeling guilty, forgive yourself for that feeling, letting it go and reminding yourself, “I am a child of God. I cannot be harmed. I cannot be manipulated. I am eternal oneness with Christ.”

Jesus:

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Ruth:

Is it possible that I can have a fear, and the fear that I’m experiencing is residue from a trauma in a past life?

Jesus:

No. No. Okay. What we teach is the past does not exist. The present is all there is. So, this moment right now, everything is perfect. So, tune into this eternal now as much as you can.

Ruth:

Okay. Okay. If you find yourself with the guilt feeling, remind yourself, “I’m going to let that go. I want to be now. I am eternal in now.”

Jesus:

Okay. Lastly, could you assist me to remember life before I came here?

Jesus:

Can’t, because there’s nothing. The life that was and still is before your experience here still is. There is no past. It is now. So, when you tune into the now the way that we said, you are one with the essence of you, which is that that you seek.

Ruth:

Okay. Why is it that we don’t seem to remember?

Jesus:

Because what happened in the beginning was there was a thought to separate from God. That thought, being impossible, brought along with it, by your choice, feelings of guilt. And that feeling of guilt was so overwhelming, you made up another self—that’s your ego—to shield you from that feeling of guilt that comes from the ego. The ego put up a shield, causing you to forget everything you really are so that you focus only on the material, the world of illusions. So, it seems like you forgot everything, but who you really are has never forgotten. Who you really are knows you eternally always, and nothing can change that.

Ruth:

So, is that the difference then from what you said to somebody to wake up from the dream and not in the dream?

Jesus:

Yes, that’s it. Because if you’re waking in the dream, then you’re becoming aware but still in a dream. You want to wake up from it so that you are aware that it is a dream and that you aren’t even in it in truth. The linear mind has difficulty with that. So, just say it’s a dream. What was meant by waking from the dream, not in the dream, is simply you’re going to wake up out of the dream rather than waking up in it.

Ruth:

Is there something I need to do to wake up from it?

Jesus:

There’s nothing you need to do except to accept truth, accept what is, make peace with it. That’s the only doing.

Ruth:

Okay. Okay. You’re welcome. Love you. Thank you.

Jesus:

We love you.

Moderator:

Looks like we are at the end of this session. As always, it has been a wonderful time. So, time does not exist. We always have to remind you of that. Remember, be as light as you can. Do your best to not take it so seriously. And we know that’s not the easiest task, but letting it go little by little, it will get lighter and lighter. Breathe more into the truth of you, which is spirit. Spend more time in that thought and allow that to guide your way. We love you, and we are always with you, always, and wonderful time once again. Namaste.