耶稣大师讲话 2025年3月1日
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耶稣：
早上好，或者下午好，又或者晚上好，这取决于你觉得自己身处何处。现在，让我们都沉浸在这一刻，放下所有关于过去和未来的思绪。此刻，让我们专注于当下，记住，真正存在的时间就是现在。深呼吸。
今天我们想和你们聊一些事情，相信你们也有同样的想法。今天一开始，我们想提醒你们，这次交流是为了帮助你们觉醒，而不是给你们提供如何改善睡眠的建议。大家能理解吗？也就是说，我们不会再给你们讲睡前故事了。
今天，以及每次与你们交流时，我们要给予你们的，是有助于你们保持清醒、觉知，并进一步觉醒的提示和方法。你们看，你们想要学习如何保持持续的觉知状态，这样就不会再滑回到你们习以为常的“沉睡”模式中。你们不仅习惯了这种模式，还对它上瘾。在你们目前对自己的认知中，如果没有这种模式，你们就不复存在。
我们已经深入探讨过“幻相”，你们所置身的这个世界是一种幻相状态，就像一场梦。你们要明白，你们不是梦中的角色，实际上，你们是做梦的那个“心”。这实际上让你们处于掌控地位——不过，不一定是对物质世界中的事物，比如他人的行为进行掌控。
有时候，这可能会让人感到困惑：“有人告诉我，我能掌控自己的梦境，但我希望别人做出不同的行为，可他们并没有照做。这是为什么呢？”因为这并非你们能掌控的事情。你们能掌控的是自己的心境，是你们的认知方式，以及你们如何看待事物。
记住，你们的“心”分为两部分：“正思维之心”和“负思维之心”。“正思维之心”总是引导你们产生平和、宽恕、接纳和光明的想法，而“负思维之心”会指出所有你们不喜欢的事情，并让你们为此激动、烦恼，还告诉你们要投入更多精力，好像这样就能解决问题。仔细想想，这说得通吗？为自己不喜欢的事情投入更多精力，就能解决问题？并不会。
我们知道你们以前听过这些内容，我们也讨论过：你们把精力投入到哪里，就会在那里投入更多精力。所以，你们在消极事物上投入的精力越多，得到的消极反馈就越多。有趣的是，消极能量和积极能量本质上都是能量，而实际上，连能量本身都是幻相。所以，你们要做的是从这一切中醒来。
要从审视自己的“心”开始，观察自己对生活、对那些看似与自己分离的人的反应，留意自己什么时候在玩“指责游戏”——也就是把内心的情绪投射到他人或他物上，这样就不用花时间审视自己的内心。因为如果你们审视内心，就会意识到自己才是内心不安的根源，而不是看似外在的人或事。实际上，并没有真正的“外在”，一切都存在于你们自己的“心”中。
所以，你们用肉眼看到的这些场景都是幻相，只是大家基本都认同这些幻相，这就让它们在你们眼中显得无比真实，尽管它们并非真实。这就是幻相。我们来玩个游戏，我们看到或感知到一些事物，就会相信：第一，我们是身体，视觉来自眼球和大脑的活动；我们会忘记“心”的存在，忘记真正的“洞察力”，认为一切都与身体有关。这样，一切就显得非常严肃、无比真实，因为我们能感觉到、察觉到事物，却忘记了所有的真相。
我们会忘记自己并非身体，这一切实际上都是幻相，这些只是发生在一个看似存在，实则只是梦境的世界里的活动。但由于我们都有这些“共识”，这一切就显得无比真实。此外，我们还会陷入各种冲突，这让一切显得更加真实。
你们能想象如果这里的生活充满喜悦与平和会怎样吗？你们只会表达这些能量，然后说：“嗯，这里真没什么可做的。”但你们说：“不，我们真的想要不断拓展。所以，我们来创造一个充满对比和冲突的世界——充满反差，这样我们就不得不拓展和成长。”
关于这个话题，我们可以一直说下去，实际上今天我们也会深入探讨。我们知道有几个问题即将提出，其中就包含类似的疑问。我们会更深入地探讨。在此提前告诉大家，今天我们会给你们布置一项作业。我们通常不会给你们留作业，但如果你们完成这项作业，对你们的生活将非常有帮助。
好的，在回答问题之前，我们先布置作业，这样大家心里就有数。如果之前提交的问题回答完毕后还有时间，你们可以在聊天框里提出关于作业的问题。
那么，作业是什么呢？大家都听说过“坚持30天做某事”，我们今天也要求大家坚持做一件事，但我们把时间定为一个月，坚持一个月，看看会发生什么。
那这一个月我们要做什么呢？第一，准备一个笔记本，它可以是纸质笔记本，能翻页、用笔书写；也可以是手机，手机里有可以用手指打字记录的页面。准备一个专门的笔记本，每天起床后，在上面写下你当天想要体验的感受，也就是你希望自己拥有怎样的心情。同时，写下那些可能会让你无法拥有这些感受的事情。能明白吗？
比如，你写下：“我希望今天过得愉快、平和，希望我遇到和交流的每个人都能给我带来更多爱、平和的感觉，让我感受到与他人的联结，让我内心的真理更加坚定。这就是我想要的。”然后你出门了，却完全忘了这件事，因为你遇到了某个人，或者看到了一则新闻。你忘掉了早上写的所有内容，说：“哎呀！不好意思，我稍后再去追求平和与爱吧。我现在对刚在新闻上看到的事情感到非常生气，满脑子都是它。他们居然这么做，我太心烦了。”
我们希望你们能更加警醒，开始对自己的感受负责，而不是说这些感受来自外部。我们要告诉你们：这些感受从来都不是来自外部，而是来自内部——你们的“心”。就像我们一开始说的，你们的“心”分为两部分。如果你们决定——我们就这么说——让自己心烦意乱，那意味着什么呢？这意味着你们选择了“负思维之心”。但你们可以改变想法，选择“正思维之心”。
所以，这是一种觉知练习。就像我们说的，写下你想要的感受，但不要只写“我想要的感受”，还要写下那些我知道会让我走向相反方向的事情。也就是说：“我说我想要平静的一天，想要在喜悦和爱中成长，但我也知道，因为生活在幻相中，我会经历一些事情。我知道，我会在媒体或社交媒体上看到一些新闻，这些新闻似乎会扰乱我的内心平静。我会把责任都推到这些新闻上，说这与我无关。”
但这次，你要说：“好吧，我已经写下了所有可能发生的事情。”并且要这么想：“这些事情肯定会发生，因为在大多数情况下，每天都会以这样或那样的方式发生类似的事情。这次，我要对此保持觉知。所以，当我在新闻上看到那个人，我知道这会触发我的情绪，我知道这会让我心烦意乱。但我不会继续任由情绪发展，说‘就是这件事让我心烦’，而是要停下来，告诉自己：‘哇，这是一个提醒我感受并非来自外部的机会。我之所以心烦，是因为我选择听从了内心错误的声音。’”
就在那一刻，我要改变想法。“正思维之心”会如何看待这件事呢？我们告诉你们，“正思维之心”会说：“我看到的一切都是幻相，它的一切都是幻相。它体现了分离，让我觉得自己是受害者。”因为每次你说别人让你心烦，你就选择了成为受害者。但现在，你可以重新做出选择。大家能理解吗？非常好。
我们希望你们开始这项练习，坚持一个月。最终，你们可能会一直坚持下去，因为你们会想要拥有这些体验。在那之后——现在你们已经知道要怎么做了——“我能做出哪些不同的改变？我能换个角度看待这件事吗？”这时，你可以转向“正思维之心”。那会是什么感觉呢？把触发你情绪的事情，不再看作是让你心烦的诱因，而是看作一种提醒，提醒自己不必陷入那种情绪，无论这个世界向你抛出什么，你都可以选择保持平和。
同时，要记住这个世界并没有向你抛出任何东西，是你自己吸引了这些事情。与其继续这种模式，不如做出改变。随着时间的推移，你在生活中会做出不同的选择，会越来越清楚自己的经历，更加意识到自己在所有事情中的参与度，从而也更有能力宽恕一切。
我们就讲到这里。坚持练习一个月，认真去做，因为只有这样，你们才能真正看到改变。不要只是读了这些内容后说：“哇，太棒了”，然后就继续原来的生活，还说“什么都没发生”。之所以没发生改变，是因为你什么都没做。我们现在给你们指明了方向，去行动吧。
现在，我们准备回答问题，先回答提交的问题，之后如果时间允许，再回答聊天框里的问题。谢谢。
简：
耶稣，第一个问题来自简。简问道：现在有一些预测，说加利福尼亚州明年会发生前所未有的灾难性地震，黄石火山也会喷发。这些事件有没有可能突然以如此巨大的规模发生，以至于加利福尼亚州在二十年内都无法居住？我们可以通过保持平和并传递平和的能量，来避免或减少房屋的破坏，让家庭团聚吗？
耶稣：
我们用这个问题来引导你们记住，这一切都是幻相。我们不会做预测，因为这在很大程度上取决于你们自己。地球变化、行星变化这类事情，既是幻相，也是自然、正常的现象，没什么不寻常的。你们觉得不寻常，是因为你们习惯了一个看似相当稳定的世界，或者说习惯了地球这个看似稳定的星球。
不过，我们要说的是，地球从来都不是稳定的。有趣的是，这几乎就像是“负思维”的反映，当然，我们只是这么一说，实际上两者并没有什么关系。但仔细想想，你问“能向它传递光吗？”我们要告诉你们，这么做其实没什么用，因为你们这样做，是把预测的场景当成了现实。你们在说：“这件事肯定会发生。也许我向它传递光，它就会消失。”
就像我们之前说的，这涉及到消极思维。通常，你们把地球上的灾难视为消极的事情，而且这里面还存在评判。这全是评判。其实，你们应该想“好吧，这就是地球”。地球并非处处都令人愉悦，过去不是，将来也不会是。这就是自然，好好想想，这就是自然规律，你们对此无能为力。
但你们能做的是向内探寻，改变内心的思维模式，从内心过上更加平和的生活。无论看似多么严重的灾难发生与否，真正重要的是内在的改变。能理解吗？理解就好。那就去实践吧。
当你们听到预测时，不妨耸耸肩，把它当作耳旁风。从我们的交流和灵性修行中可知，时间是一种幻相，预测与时间、形式和幻相相关。这一切都像是梦境，实际上，它无法在心灵或精神层面影响你们。你们是永恒的，而身体会消亡。
尼尔：
关于这个问题还有其他疑问吗？我还有个问题。好的，谢谢。我正准备卖掉房子，搬进类似外婆小屋的地方。他们说在房子建造期间，我可以带着我的四只狗住在他们的姻亲家里，但不能带我的鹦鹉。我告诉他们这不行，我当然要带上我的鹦鹉。所以我们现在陷入了僵局，我担心我无法……
耶稣：
我们要告诉你们，从内心开始调整。不要让这样的事情扰乱你们的内心平静。在物质层面，你们要做该做的事情，但不要让内心受到影响。明白我们说的话吗？
尼尔：
明白。关于这件事，你想让我们了解什么呢？嗯，我猜我是希望得到一个预测，不过你不会做预测。
耶稣：
是的，我们不做预测，也不会变魔术。我们能给你们的，就是在心灵层面进行修行。你们可以想象自己在那里平静地生活，哪怕目前现实并非如此。可能会有美好的事情发生，但你们也要做好准备，接受不太美好的事情也可能发生的事实。但无论发生什么，你们都要学会保持平和。能理解吗？
尼尔：
完全理解。所以，真正的修行就是：“无论我的眼睛看到什么，我都要在心中选择平和，而非冲突。”
耶稣：
谢谢。
尼尔：
不客气。
耶稣：
下一个问题来自尼尔。尼尔问道：亲爱的耶稣，你和天堂里的光之存有是什么关系？你是监督他们还是引导他们？这种关系对身处梦境的我们有什么影响？谢谢。
耶稣：
首先，不存在“他们”。我们都是一体的。这就是我们对此要说的全部内容。实际上，我们是一体的。你们看，这个问题的表述是基于物质层面和线性思维，而我们超越了这些。这意味着，我们并不在这种思维模式下运作。这是一种无边无际的爱，是永恒的光。我们所说的光，不是你们看到的太阳光那种物理光，而是一种超乎你们想象的光，是一种你们从未感受过、无法用言语描述的爱，这种爱永恒存在。
不存在“我们”和“他们”，只有“我们”。当我们说“我们”时，指的是所有人、所有事物。当我们这么说时，我们谈论的是超越物质形式的层面。能理解吗？
尼尔：
能理解，耶稣。我想……这也包括……我们身处梦境之中，对吗？
耶稣：
没错。你们并非分离的个体，只是你们以为自己是。
尼尔：
那么，对于我们在这里的自己，尽我们所能了解自己，或者尝试了解自己时，期待来自“彼岸”的帮助，比如……这样做是否适得其反呢？
耶稣：
记住，觉醒是有阶段的。比如说，有些人从未接触过任何关于灵性的知识，不知道自己就是灵性的存在，也不了解心灵，只知道大脑和身体。对于这样的人来说，向看似外在的力量寻求帮助是很有用的，因为他们认为外在的力量是真实存在的。如果我们说：“不要寻求任何帮助，因为你就是灵性，你已经拥有一切。”即便这是事实，但如果他们不相信，还让他们假装没有隐藏的恐惧，这显然是没有帮助的，甚至会起到反效果。
当然，有帮助存在。实际上，只要你们需要，我们鼓励你们寻求帮助，因为帮助永远在那里。这也是祈祷的一部分，不是吗？请求帮助，这是一种祈祷形式。在你们意识到自己并非分离的个体，明白“一体性”才是真理之前，祈祷是一种看似邀请外在力量进入内心，提醒自己真理的行为。但一旦你们真正明白了这些，祈祷就不再必要了。
当你们真正明白了这些——这里说的“明白”是大写的“知道”（Know），就像你们完全领悟了一样——你们就是真理本身。明白了吗？
提问者：
耶稣，我花了两年时间才鼓起勇气问你这个问题，今天我想问出来。我知道这是一个与梦境相关的问题——我们都深陷在这个梦境中，我当然也不例外。我的家人和我已经迷茫了两年。我不知道你是否能说些什么……两年前，我的儿子约翰去世了，连医生都不明白是怎么回事。我想知道……我知道他内心有些困扰，困扰还不少，我想知道他是否试图自杀。
耶稣：
我们不能谈论这件事，因为这已经是过去的事了。如果我们给你讲述可能发生的事情，你的脑海里会不停地想你本可以做什么、应该做什么、本可以阻止什么、他本应该做什么等等。这并没有帮助，不是吗？
提问者：
没有帮助。
耶稣：
真正有帮助的是接受现状，内心平静，并且知道他永远与你同在。
提问者：
我知道这是他想要的，这也能让他……是的。他总是面带微笑，笑声不断，实际上你也是这样，只是你自己不知道。
耶稣：
是的。嗯……是的。
提问者：
我……我想更多地与这种感觉建立联结，耶稣。你知道……越来越想。我能感觉到他的存在。有时候，当我陷入日常的忙碌，感到压力很大时，我会想到一些简单的事情，比如春天来了，在花园里劳作，修剪约翰尼的树，让它长得更好。这些都是尘世的琐事，但我……我觉得这没什么错……
耶稣：
这对你来说是重生和生命的象征。你看，这是对一份永恒之爱的呵护。明白吗？
提问者：
明白。我想是我们的“负思维”让我们纠结于过去发生的事情。
耶稣：
完全正确。总是纠结于“本应该发生什么”。
提问者：
没错。是的。“负思维”总是让你陷入与时间相关的各种思绪中，尤其是过去。我想到一些事情……我很喜欢我的工作，感谢你，耶稣，帮助我很快能在卫理公会教堂演奏，我将和一群很棒的人在教堂里做礼拜……所以，我非常感谢你、约翰尼，以及帮助促成这件事的人。
耶稣：
这非常美好。
提问者：
嗯……是的。谢谢你，耶稣。我们会……我们会尽力保持“正思维”。
耶稣：
这正是我们希望的。我们都想保持“正思维”，都想快乐。但也要善待自己，如果发现自己偏离了轨道，也不要过分自责。实际上，留意到自己偏离轨道，然后原谅自己，善待自己，提醒自己“我想保持正思维”，并且面带微笑，温和地提醒自己，这本身就是修行的一部分。
提问者
嗯，谢谢你，耶稣。特别感谢你倾听我带着“负思维”提出的问题。
耶稣
哦，那是当然。我们爱你。
提问者
我也爱你，耶稣，非常爱你。谢谢，谢谢。
耶稣
下一个问题来自梅伦。梅伦问道：亲爱的耶稣，四年来我一直努力完成课程的学习。每次学到90多课和100课出头的时候，我的自我意识总会给我带来巨大的干扰，让我偏离学习轨道。但这次感觉不一样。即使在“风暴”之中，我也感觉与你更亲近了。每次“风暴”似乎都变得更猛烈，但我对你的信任也在增强。我有一张你的画像，上面写着：“专注于我，而非风暴。”这句话让我感到安慰。说实话，那张画像特别丑，这让我忍不住发笑。我想我们会一起为此开怀大笑。你能给我一些鼓励，给我打打气，帮助我在完成这本练习册中这个充满挑战的部分时保持坚定吗？谢谢你，耶稣。我爱你。
耶稣
我们也爱你。没错，每次我们都一起欢笑，一直都是。
那么，如何在完成课程或练习册的过程中保持坚定呢？你要记住，练习册虽然看似有终点，但那并非真正的终点。实际上，在练习册的结尾我们也说过：“这不是终点，而是起点。”你看，这是因为练习册中的练习是你想要在日常生活中长期践行的，甚至是一辈子都要坚持的。所以，这并不只是完成编号的章节那么简单。当然，完成这些章节在形式上对你来说是一种成就，是完成的象征，但你真正要做的是在日常生活中实践这些内容，让它时刻伴随你。
你不必随身携带练习册，但要把其中的思想记在心里。就像我们今天给你布置的作业一样。实际上，完成我们在这次交流开始时布置的作业，也会有助于你完成练习册的学习，因为它会让你进入专注和觉察的状态。你会说：“没错，我想完成这些课程，那我就去做。我不会把完成课程这件事看得太沉重。”这可能是你在最后阶段会遇到的困扰，别把完成课程当成一件天大的事，去做就好了。
但在做的时候，即使当天没有完成，也要记住，唯一的解决办法就是宽恕，然后第二天接着尝试。就像我们一开始说的，随着你不断练习，你会更加留意那些让你陷入虚幻世界、让你遗忘（真理）的事物。所以，专注和觉察会很有帮助。实际上，这一切都关乎专注和觉察。
还有一点我们想说：你说自我意识会干扰你。你要知道，自我意识并非与你分离，它存在于你的内心。它不是一个独立的实体，到处乱跑还说着：“我是自我意识，我要干扰你。”这是你“负思维”做出的决定。你随时都可以改变想法。
所以，意识到这是你自己的问题会很有帮助。你能理解吗？
梅伦
能理解。不是别的什么自我意识，而是我的自我意识——我内心的“自我意识”部分。所以我走上了“负思维”的道路，但我真的不想再这样了。所以我会尽最大努力保持觉察，并且一直原谅自己。
耶稣
这回答了你的问题吗？
梅伦
回答了。谢谢。我每次写问题的时候，你好像同时就给出了答案。你在我脑海里说的和我想的一样，所以我早就知道答案了。所以我也要培养这种（与你的联结），把它记在笔记本上。
耶稣
好的。这证明了你与我的沟通是畅通的。太棒了。谢谢。
梅伦
不客气。也谢谢你。
耶稣
下一个问题是什么？是乔治提出的，他今天不在场。乔治问道：当我离开我的身体，也就是到了我“离世”的时候，会发生什么？我会遇到谁？我能和你，耶稣，面对面交谈吗？这取决于我死亡的方式吗？
耶稣
这并不取决于你死亡的方式，因为你不会死亡，也不取决于你的身体如何死去，不取决于你决定让身体以何种方式死去。死亡并非真实存在。你会遇到谁呢？你会遇到所有人、所有事物，来自各个时代，包括超越时间、脱离时间的一切。你看，会发生什么呢？你会醒来，然后完全彻底地记起：“谢天谢地，那只是一场梦！真是一场梦啊！”
你还会沉浸在你所学到的知识、你的成长之中等等。这是一个永恒持续的爱的过程。
乔治
谢谢。不过我听说有一些被称为“执政官”的存在，他们会冒充天使领域的存在，尤其是冒充你，耶稣，让刚离世的灵魂以为自己在和你交谈，而实际上是冒牌货。有没有这样的存在在我们离世后欺骗我们，让我们以为自己和你在一起呢？
耶稣
没有。我们可以明确地告诉你没有，所以别把这种事放在心上。事情是这样的：当你离世过渡的时候，你的思想会伴随你。所以，如果你有这样一套思维模式——“我会遇到这些‘执政官’，他们会欺骗我，我会感到困惑”，那么你在离世过渡的时候就真的会感到困惑。
如果你专注于我们在这里所教导的真理，倾听内心，了解自己——你是永恒的存在，是无限的——你看，没有什么能伤害到你。想想看：“来了个‘执政官’！哇，我看到光了！”其实，你应该觉得它什么都不是，甚至不用去理会它。它们就像念头一样。
所以，你真的要清理你的思想。实际上，我们要给大家一个建议：第一，没什么好害怕的。真的没什么可害怕的。如果你内心感到恐惧，就不断释放它，别紧抓着不放，恐惧对你没有任何好处。
我们说的这种恐惧，只是你内心“负思维”的产物，它试图让你措手不及，让你相信二元对立的现实。所以，任何你可能遇到的类似情况，都只是过去的残留。实际上，没有过去，一切都已结束，都充满了光和爱。
所以，你要清空脑海中的这些想法，放下它们。别抓着怨恨不放，你带不走它们。实际上，现在就放下怨恨，在这个梦境般的生活里，你就能过得更好。这意味着你不会把一切都看得那么严重。大家能理解吗？
所以，看开点。这真的很重要。如果你能以轻松的心态面对生活，这些负面想法就不太会找上你。就算它们来了，就想：“哦，天哪，又来了。真可笑，太傻了。”时不时地笑一笑，把这些都抛诸脑后。真的没什么好怕的，我们是认真的。
乔治
谢谢你，耶稣。
耶稣
不客气。
卡丽
下一个问题是卡丽关于作业提出的。很好。卡丽问道：在每天结束的时候，记录下那些出乎意料的触发因素，这样做有帮助吗？
耶稣
当然有帮助。记录下那些（没达到预期的情况）算是失败经历也很有帮助。
卡丽
完全正确。这实际上是作业的一部分，所以我们一开始就说：你要写下你想要的感受，以及那些你知道会让你偏离目标的事情，不管你原本想怎么做。所以，在一天结束的时候，再次拿出笔记本非常重要。看看笔记本，想想：“我一开始是怎么说的？我做得怎么样？我遇到这些触发因素了吗？我是如何回应或反应的？”然后把这些问题的答案写下来。能明白吗？
卡丽
明白。我之前在想，或许我只想关注自己成功的地方。但这是不是仍然只是梦境的一部分，意味着我没有活在当下呢？是不是自我意识在捣乱，把一切都搞乱了呢？
耶稣
指出自己成功的地方当然很好，但指出自己偏离轨道的地方同样重要，甚至更重要。因为这样你就会意识到：“好吧，我确实会偏离轨道。我不会为此自责，但我会带着更多觉察去练习。”这样你就会更加清楚这对自己来说是个触发因素，而且你不必再做出那样的反应。以后每天遇到类似的情况，你都可以尝试不再重蹈覆辙。这样你就会发现自己受其影响越来越小。能明白吗？
卡丽
明白。我还会记录那些我没预料到会发生的事情，那些让我措手不及的事情，以及我的反应是好是坏。
耶稣
完全正确。这样做很完美。实际上，还有一点很重要：“这件事发生了，我感觉非常好，太棒了。”看到这样的情况并告诉自己“这也是幻相”同样重要。
卡丽
是的。我就是这么想的：这一切都让我沉浸在梦境里，因为这都不是当下（真实的）。所以我就想：“在这个阶段，这真的是我想做的吗？”
耶稣
在现阶段，是的。因为你要看到：“哇，我当时真的很激动。”然后意识到“那种很棒的感觉其实也是幻相”。它和那些让你负面情绪产生的事情本质上是一样的，投入的精力是相同的。你最终要做的是放下这一切。但在现阶段，你要去观察、去觉察。最终，这会变成你的本能反应。你看到这些情况，心里明白，就不会再受其影响。
或者即便这些情况还会出现，但你不会觉得有必要把它们记录下来了。刚开始的时候，用笔记本记录这些事情很重要，直到它成为你的本能反应，这就是我们为什么建议你坚持一个月的原因。尝试一个月，把这些都记录下来。下个月，或许你就可以分享自己的经历了。明白吗？
卡丽
好的。谢谢。等你回答完其他问题，如果还有时间，我还有另一个问题想问。
耶稣
很好。谢谢。谢谢。
卡丽
好的，问问题。他们让我赶紧问。嗯……我想问问，结合我们今天讨论的内容，我该如何处理一件事。我知道我内心有一种……我们可以称之为不和谐的情绪，是关于我的前女婿试图争取我孙女的抚养权这件事。虽然我想把每个人都看作充满爱的人，不想揪着过去不放，但我担心他会虐待我的孙女。我心里有这种恐惧，我想把这件事纳入我这个月的练习内容——就是我们这个月正在做的事情。我想知道最好的处理方式，这样我就能明确自己应该朝着什么目标去做。
耶稣
好的。首先，我们要问你……实际上，首先我们要说：你要从“平和之心”的角度看待这件事。这样会帮助你找到正确的方向。这与指责、批评之类的无关，你要做的是退一步观察这件事，这样你就不会情绪化，而是能够清楚地看清局势。能理解吗？
卡丽
我觉得要达到“平和之心”，实际上就是不要去想这件事，让自己的内心保持和谐，然后从这个状态出发去看待这个情况。
耶稣
嗯，这就是“平和之心”的状态。好的。但问题是：如果你有过相关经历，或者曾经经历过这样的事，比如发现某个人有身体虐待之类的迹象，我们会说：在物质层面做你该做的事情，但要以“平和之心”的状态去做。就好像，“以这种方式处理这个情况是合理的”。明白吗？
卡丽
好的。所以我个人其实不需要……做什么。我女儿会去法庭阻止他获得部分抚养权。嗯……所以我个人不需要做什么。我想在这件事上保持冷静。我知道每个人本质上都是充满爱的，但我不知道该怎么想才能保持“平和之心”。
耶稣
这里可能存在对“平和之心”的一些误解。这么说吧，我们不了解具体情况，但听起来你说的是有个人可能存在虐待行为，对吗？
卡丽
是的，没错。
耶稣
好的。接受这个事实，内心平静下来。不要试图美化它，说什么“哦，你充满爱，我知道的”。
卡丽
对，我就是这么想的……我不想回避这个问题，我想……
耶稣
完全正确。你要是无视这些事实，还谈什么爱呢？根本不是这么回事。那是一个陷入“负思维”、存在心理问题的人。在物质层面，存在精神障碍这样的事实。精神障碍必须在其能够接受的层面上进行处理，也就是在物质层面处理。
所以，不要试图把它变成一个灵性层面的问题。不要说“我可以提升自己，把这个人看作充满爱与平和的人”，因为你做不到。这基本上就像是……打个比方，这是在脏污的地方涂脂抹粉，能理解吗？
卡丽
能理解。
耶稣
好的。你要做的是：这是物质层面发生的事情，是一种经历。我不能用灵性的方式回避它，因为它就摆在眼前，这是事实。不要对这个事实生气，它只是一个事实。你可以说：“我知道这不是这个人的本质，但我也得承认这个事实：这个人选择了这样的行为。”然后，做你需要做的任何事，去处理需要处理的问题。能理解吗？
卡丽
能理解。所以我之前想：“好吧，他在做这些事，但我仍然可以充满爱。比如，他去看我孙女的篮球比赛，我见到他时仍然可以对他充满善意。但这并不意味着我认可他争取抚养权的行为。但我见到他时仍然可以保持爱意，因为他不代表他的行为。对吧？我这样想对吗？我觉得如果我不表现出爱意好像不太对。”
耶稣
当然，你不表现出爱意好像不太对。但你也不会走过去对他说：“我是这么看你的”“我眼中的你是这样的”。你就正常对待就行。正常人会怎么做呢？“我知道这个人有这样的问题，我心里有数，我知道真相。”显然，我又没疯。所以我不会表现得很奇怪、很激进。不然的话，我就和他没什么两样了。
卡丽
我们就是这么想的。
耶稣
我们的意思是：“你没疯，你不会走到他面前，表现得像个疯子。”正常对待就好。能理解吗？
卡丽
能理解。这是对爱的践行，不是吗？
耶稣
是的。但记住：你把这件事看得太严重了。你说：“好吧，我必须把这变成一场灵性的爱的盛宴。我不想……我不想面对这个事实。”但你应该做的是：“我看到了事实，我就正常对待。我不会把这件事变成一个不恰当的灵性话题。”明白吗？
卡丽
明白。因为这件事可能还涉及法律问题。
耶稣
我们告诉你：一切都是灵性的，这么想就不会有问题。实际上，我们要告诉你，一切都是对爱的呼唤。虚幻世界里的一切都是对爱的呼唤。
卡丽
很难不对一个人展现出爱的一面。
耶稣
没人让你不展现爱。好的，很好。这就是我们想说的。你刚才说我们讲了这些，然后你又说：“但我不是那种不展现爱的人。”我们没说你是，也没让你不展现爱。我们只是说：“别把这件事搞得太复杂。”是你把它复杂化了。
卡丽
对。所以别把它复杂化，只是去爱就好。
耶稣
所以在我的“作业”里，我可以写：“我今天会见到这个人”，而且我已经表明了我今天想要的感受。“我今天会见到这个人”，这就像是提前给自己提个醒：“哦，这件事要来了。”
卡丽
没错。而且我已经选择了我想要的感受。
耶稣
完全正确。这就是“作业”。确实是这样。
卡丽
好的。太完美了。太棒了。当经历这些事情产生感受时，之后把它们记录下来。但要记住：“我说过我想要爱，所以我要让自己的内心朝着爱的方向发展。”
耶稣
谢谢。
卡丽
谢谢。谢谢你。
耶稣
今天的交流非常棒。我们知道你们会去践行这个练习。实际上，我们希望你们去做这个练习。当你们这么做的时候，你们会开启内心深处一直存在、从未消失的觉察。当你回归自我，那种感觉就像回家一样。这里说的自我是真正的你。
通过做这个练习，你们会更加了解真正的自己，也会更加留意自己偏离轨道的时候。但你们会更渴望回到正轨。你们会发现自己越来越期待回到正轨，因为你们会意识到有一条自己想要坚守的道路。随着不断练习，一切会变得越来越轻松。但这需要付出努力。带着喜悦去做，保持轻松的心态。不要自责。如果偏离了轨道，就记录下来，原谅自己，告诉自己：“我不会再这样了”；如果又犯了，就说：“我还是会原谅自己，我爱我自己”等等。
我们爱你们所有人。感谢你们今天与我们交流。今天的交流很棒，我们期待很快再次与你们相聚。去做这个练习吧，我们之后再交流。合十礼。
原文段落
Jesus: Good morning, or good afternoon, or good evening, depending on where you seem to think you are. Let us all come into this moment now, releasing all thoughts of past and all thoughts of future. Just center into this moment now, recalling that the only time that truly is is now. And breathe.
So we want to talk to you today about some things, as we are sure that you would like to as well. We wanted to start off today by reminding you that this session is to help you with your awakening, not to give you tips on how to better sleep. Does that make sense to everyone? Meaning we’re not going to give you more bedtime stories.
What we are going to give you today, and what we give you every time we come through, are tips and processes to help you stay awake, aware, and awaken further. You see, you wanted to learn how to maintain that constant state of awareness so that you won’t slip back into the patterns of sleep that you are so accustomed to. Not only are you accustomed to them, but you’re addicted to them. Without them, you, as you currently perceive yourself, wouldn’t exist.
We’ve talked extensively about the illusion and that this world that you seem to find yourself in is a state of illusion. It is a dream. You see, and you are not a figure in the dream, but you are actually the mind dreaming it. You see, which really puts you in a place of control—actually, not necessarily in the things in the form world, like what other people are doing.
You see, sometimes that can be a confusion: “Well, I was told that I have some sort of control of my dream, but I wanted someone else to do something different, and they didn’t do it. Why is that?” So, because that’s not what you are in control of. You see, what you are in control of is your state of mind, is how you perceive, and with whom you see.
Remember, you have two parts to your mind: you have your right mind and your wrong mind. Your right mind always leads you to thoughts of peace, forgiveness, acceptance, and light, whereas your wrong mind will point out all the things you don’t like and tell you to get all hot and bothered by it, invest more energy into it because somehow investing more energy into what you don’t like will solve the problem. Does that even make sense if you really think about that? That giving more energy to something that you don’t like is somehow going to correct the problem? It’s not.
We know you’ve heard about these things before, and we’ve talked about it too: that where you place your energy, you place more energy. You see, so the more energy you put into negativity, the more negativity you’re going to get. Because really, here’s an interesting thing: negative energy is just energy. Positive energy is also just energy. Basically, it’s all energy, but even energy is illusion. You see, so what you want to do is wake up from the whole thing.
But you start with this: you start with looking at your mind, your reactions to your life, to those who seem to be separate from you, noticing when you play the blame game, which is you’re projecting out something that is within you onto something or someone else so that you don’t have to take the time to look at it within yourself. Because if you looked at that within yourself, you would realize that you are the cause of your unrest. It’s not someone else or something else that seems to be out there. There is no “out there” in truth. It is all in your own mind.
So these scenarios that you think you see with your physical eyes are illusions that everyone pretty much agrees upon. That makes it very real to you, you see, even though it’s not. That’s the illusion. Let’s play this game where we’ll see things or we will perceive things. We’ll believe that, number one, that we’re bodies and that sight comes from the eyeball and the activity in something called a brain. We’ll forget about the mind. We’ll forget about vision—real vision—and say that it has everything to do with the body. That’ll make it really serious and really, really real because we’ll feel things, we’ll sense things, and we’ll forget everything that’s true.
We’ll forget that we are not the body, that all of this is really an illusion, that these are just activities that seem to take place in a world that seems to exist but is actually just a dream. But we have all these agreements, so it’ll make it seem really real. And then, on top of that, we’ll have lots of conflict. That’ll make it even more real, way more real.
Can you imagine if your life here was filled with joy and peace? You would simply express those energies and then you would say, “Well, not much to do here, really.” You said, “No, we want to really, really, really expand. So let’s do this: let’s make up a world that’s so filled with contrast and conflict—which is contrast—that we’ll have no choice but to expand and grow.”
We can go on and on and on about this, and actually we are today. We know there are a couple questions that are coming forward that have this exact kind of inquiry in them. We’ll be able to go deeper into that. And we are going to let everyone know ahead of time that we’re actually going to give you an assignment for the day. We don’t usually send you off with an assignment, but this will be very helpful in your life if you do it.
Okay, so we’re going to give you the assignment before we take the questions so that we can get that out there, and in case the previously submitted questions—if we end those and we’ve got lots of time—you can send your questions in the chat about the assignment.
So, what’s the assignment? So, everybody’s heard of “do it for 30 days.” We’re going to say, of course, it’s a “do it for 30 days,” but we’re going to say do it for a month. Do it for a month and see what happens.
So, what is it that we’re going to do for a month? Well, number one, you’re going to get a notebook—whether that’s going to be a physical notebook that you can turn pages in and write with a pen, or your cell phone, which has pages in it that you can type in with your thumbs and fingers—but you’re going to have a designated notebook where every day you get up, you write down what it is you would like to experience for the day in terms of how you want to feel. And then, also alongside that, you want to put the things that trigger you to not have those feelings. Does that make sense?
So, let’s say, for example, “I want to have a nice, peaceful day where everyone I meet and interact with is going to bring more feelings of love and peace and feeling of joining and things like that—of really solidifying truth in me. That’s what I want.” You go off and you have that, and then you completely forget because you run into that person or you see that piece of news. You forget the whole thing you wrote in the morning. You say, “Whoops! But I’m sorry, I’ll do the whole peace and love thing later. I’m really angry at what I just saw on the news. I cannot get it out of my mind. And they did this, so I’m upset.”
Well, we want you to really become more aware. We want you to start taking responsibility for that feeling you get, rather than saying that it is coming from some external source. Because we’re going to tell you: it’s never coming from an external source, but always coming from an internal source—your mind. And like we said at the beginning, you have two parts to your mind. What would it mean if you decided to—we’re going to say that exactly—that you decided to get upset? Well, that would be choosing your wrong mind. But you can change your mind and choose your right mind.
So, this is a practice in awareness. So, like we said, you write down how you want to feel, but not just leaving it as “the things I want to feel.” I’m going to write down the things that I know are going to set me off in the other direction. Meaning, “I said I want a peaceful day. I want to expand in joy and love, but here are a list of the things that I know I’m going to experience because that’s life in the illusion. I know that I’m going to come up against some news in the media in some way or in social media, whatever, that’s going to seem to disturb my inner peace. And I’m going to project all over it and say it’s coming from that. I have nothing to do with it.”
But this time, you’re going to say, “Alright, so now I’ve written down all the things that are going to happen.” And we’re going to say it like that: “These things are definitely going to happen because this happens every day for the most part, in some way, one way or another. And this time, I’m going to be aware of that. So when I see this person on the news, I decided that that’s going to trigger me. I decided that this is going to make me upset. But rather than continuing on with that and saying, ‘This is the thing that’s made me upset,’ I’m going to stop and say, ‘Wow. Here’s an opportunity to remember that it isn’t coming from anything external from me. It’s coming from the fact that I chose to listen to the wrong part of my mind.’”
And right then and there, I’m going to change my mind. What would the mind of peace see about this? We’ll tell you that the mind of peace would say, “What I am looking at is an illusion. Everything about it is an illusion. It speaks of separation. It tells me that I’m a victim.” Because every time you choose to say someone made you upset, you have chosen to be a victim. But now you can choose again. Does that make sense to everyone? Wonderful.
So we want you to begin this practice and do it for a month. Eventually, you’ll probably end up doing it for the rest of your life because you’ll want to have these experiences. And then you want to, from there—so now you got that set up—“What can I do differently? How can I see this differently?” Well, I can turn to my right mind. What would that be like? What would it be like to see my trigger and see it not as a trigger of upset anymore, but a trigger of remembrance that I don’t have to go down that road, that I can choose to be at peace no matter what the world seems to throw at me?
And also, I will remember that the world isn’t throwing anything at me. I’m drawing it to myself. And rather than continuing with this pattern, I want to change it. And you begin to make different choices in your life as you go along. You’ll become more and more cognizant of your experience and more aware of your involvement in everything, and therefore your ability to forgive everything.
So we’ll just leave that right there. But just practice this for one month. Make it a real practice because that’s how you really see the changes. It’s not just reading about this stuff: “Wow, that was really great,” then you go on with your life. “Well, nothing happened.” Well, nothing happened because you didn’t do anything about it. We’re giving you directions to do something about it.
So with that, we are ready for questions—the submitted questions and then anything that comes in through the chat as time allows. Thank you.
Jane: Jesus, the first question is from Jane. Jane asks: I have a question about predictions that are circling of upcoming unprecedented catastrophic earthquakes in California, as well as Yellowstone erupting, both during the next year. Is there any likelihood of either of these events occurring suddenly in such a magnitude that California would be unlivable for two decades? Can we abide in and send peaceful energy to avoid or minimize destruction of homes and keep families together?
Jesus: So we will use this question as a way to point you in the direction of remembering that this is an illusion. We do not do predictions because that entails a lot that is up to you. You see, and here’s the thing: Earth changes, planetary changes, things like that—all illusion, but also natural, normal, and not out of the ordinary. It seems out of the ordinary to you because you’re used to a world—or in Earth, a planet—that seems to be pretty stable.
We’re saying this, though: that the Earth is never stable. It’s interesting because it’s almost like a reflection of wrong-minded thoughts. We’re just putting that lightly. It really has nothing to do with any of that. But really, if you think about it—so you were asking, “Could you send light to it?” We are going to tell you something that would not really help because what you’re doing is you’re making the scenario that’s been predicted real to you. You’re saying, “This is definitely going to happen. Perhaps if I send light to it, it will disappear.”
And like we said earlier, this is in terms of negativity. And typically, you perceive catastrophes on Earth as negative, and we’re going to also say there’s judgment there. It’s all judgment. Instead of just, “Okay, that’s just the Earth.” Not all of Earth is pleasurable. Never has been and never will be. That’s nature. Okay? Like literally think about that: that’s nature. You can’t do anything about that.
But what you can do is go within, change the patterns of thought within your mind to live a more peaceful life from within. You see, no matter what seeming catastrophes may or may not happen. You see, that’s where the real work is done. Yeah, does that make sense to you? Yes? Wonderful. So practice that.
I am. So when you hear a prediction, kind of shrug it off because, as you know from listening to our conversations and doing spiritual work, time is an illusion. Predictions have to do with time and form and illusion. This is all dream stuff. It actually cannot affect you on the level of mind or spirit. You are eternal. The body dies.
Neil: Did you have any other questions about that? I have another question. Okay, oh, thank you. I’m getting ready to sell my home and move into what will be the equivalent of a granny flat. But they told me I can bring my four dogs while it’s being built and stay at their in-law’s house, but I cannot bring my parrot. I told them that that’s not acceptable. Of course, I’m bringing my parrots. So we’re at loggerheads, and I’m afraid I can’t…
Jesus: Well, you want to begin to—we’re going to tell you—work from within. You see, so you don’t let something like this disturb your inner peace. You see? So then you do whatever needs to be done on the level of form, but you don’t let that rattle you from within. You see? Do you follow what we’re saying?
Neil: Yes. What did you want to know from us about that? Well, I guess I’m hoping for a prediction that you don’t give.
Jesus: We don’t give predictions right. We don’t give magic tricks either. All we can give you is work on the level of mind. Okay? You can see yourself living peacefully there and just see it like that, even if it’s not like that in form at the moment. Something wonderful could happen, but you want to also be open to the fact that something not wonderful could happen. But you want to learn how to be at peace no matter what. Does that make sense?
Neil: Totally, yes. So that’s really the practice: “I will see this as an opportunity to choose peace over conflict in my mind, despite what my eyes tell me I’m looking at.”
Jesus: Thank you.
Neil: You’re welcome.
Jesus: This next question is from Neil. Neil asks: Dear Jesus, what is your relationship with the beings of light in heaven? Do you supervise them or guide them? And how does this relationship affect us here in the dream? Thank you.
Jesus: So, number one, there is no “them.” We’re all one. So that’s about all we have to say about that. Literally, we are one. You see? So the way that this question is formulated is speaking on the level of form and also in linear thinking. We’re beyond that. You see? Meaning, we don’t operate in it. So it’s this boundless love. You see? Constant light. We’re not talking about physical light like you see in sunlight and all that, but it is light beyond your wildest imaginings, love like you’ve never felt it before, and indescribable in words. And that is always ongoing, eternally.
There is no “us” and “them.” There is only us. When we say “us,” we’re talking about we, everyone, everything. And when we say that, we are speaking beyond form. Does that make sense?
Neil: Yes, Jesus. I think… and that includes… Are we here in the dream?
Jesus: Absolutely. You are not separate. You just think you are.
Neil: So is it counterproductive to think of, um, like ourselves here as—as much as we can know ourselves or try to know ourselves—is it counterproductive to think of help from beyond, like…
Jesus: Remember, there are stages to awakening. So, let’s say someone who’s never even been involved with anything to do with learning that there is such thing as spirit and that they are that, or that anything to do with mind—all they know is brain and body. There’s definitely great use for calling upon something that seems external from you because there’s a belief in external as a fact. You see? And it wouldn’t be very helpful if we said, “Don’t ask for anything because you’re spirit. You already have it,” even if you don’t believe it. Just assume that and pretend like you don’t have these hidden fears or anything like that. That would be terrible.
Of course, there’s help. And in fact, we encourage you to call upon that help as long as you need it because it is always there for you. You see? And we—and that’s part of prayer, is it not? Asking for help and… um… that’s a form of prayer. So, before you realize that you are not separate—that oneness is truth—there is an activity of prayer where it is a seeming invitation to something outside of you to greet you internally and remind you of truth. You see? But once you know this stuff, prayer is not necessary.
Say, once you know this stuff—we’re talking about capital-K “know,” like you know it—you are it. You see?
Questioner: Well, Jesus, K, I’ve… uh… it’s taken me two years, um, to ask—to get up the courage to ask you this question, um, but I want to ask it today. Um, I know this is a dream-bound question—it’s we’re all caught up in this dream. I certainly am—but my family and I have wandered for two years. I don’t know if you would be able to say anything, um, you know, when… when my son John passed away two years ago—even the doctors don’t understand what happened. Um, I wonder whether—and I know he had some turmoil in his mind; he had quite a bit of turmoil—I’m wondering if if you might be able to shed any light on whether he might have tried to take his life.
Jesus: Now, we can’t talk about that because it is past. Therefore, if we gave you stories about something that might have happened, your mind would go crazy thinking about all the things you could have done or what you should have done or what could have been stopped or he should have done, etc. That’s not helpful, is it?
Questioner: No.
Jesus: What is helpful is to make peace with where you are and know that he is with you always.
Questioner: I know that’s what he wants and that that’s what makes him… yeah. He does. He kind of smiles and laughs all the time, and actually you do too. You just don’t know that.
Jesus: Yes. Um… yeah.
Questioner: I… I want to be more in touch with that, Jesus. You know… Oh, more and more. And I can feel his presence. And I mean, sometimes when I get caught up in daily um comings and goings and I get stressed, I think of simple things like, you know, working in my garden with the spring coming or pruning Johnny’s tree to make it grow better. And um, they’re earthly things, but I… I mean, there’s… I guess there’s nothing wrong…
Jesus: It’s a symbol of rejuvenation and life for you. You see? Attending to a love that never dies. You see?
Questioner: Yes. And… and I guess it’s our wrong-mindedness that uh… that gets hung up on questions of what happened in the past.
Jesus: Absolutely. What should have happened?
Questioner: Great. Yeah. Yes. The wrong mind always wants to take you down all these roads that have to do with time, especially the past. And… and I when I think of things like—I enjoy my work—and I thank you, Jesus, for helping me get a new job playing in a Methodist Church uh soon, and I’ll be um worshiping um… um… with a beautiful group of people in that church. So I’m very thankful for you and for Johnny and and the one to uh help arrange that.
Jesus: Absolutely. It’s very beautiful.
Questioner: Um… yeah. Well, well, thank you, Jesus. And… and we’ll… we’ll try our best to stay in our right mind.
Jesus: And that’s what we want. You know, we want to be in our right mind. We want to be happy. But also, be kind to yourself and don’t beat yourself up if you find that you’ve kind of gone off track. That’s actually part of the process in practice: noticing when you do and forgiving yourself, being kind to yourself, and then reminding yourself, “I want to stay on this track of right-minded thinking,” but do it gently with a smile on your face.
Questioner: Well, thank you, Jesus. And especially thank you for listening to questions that come from my wrong-mindedness.
Jesus: Oh, absolutely. We love you.
Questioner: I love you too, Jesus. So much. Thank you. Thank you.
Jesus: The next question is from Melen. Melen asks: Dear Jesus, I have been trying to complete the course lessons for four years now. Every time I reach the 90s and low 100s, my ego throws huge distractions my way, pulling me off track. But this time feels different. Even in the middle of the storm, I feel closer to you. The storms seem to get bigger each time, but so does my trust in you. I have a picture of you that says, “Focus on me, not the storm.” That message brings me comfort. And honestly, the fact that the picture is so ugly makes me laugh. I like to think we share that laugh together. Can you offer me some encouragement—a personal pep talk—to help me stay steady through this challenging part of the workbook? Thank you, Jesus. I love you.
Jesus: And we love you too. And yes, we do share that laughter together every time and all the time.
So, how to stay steady in completing the course or workbook? You have to remember that the workbook, even though there seems to be an ending to it, is not a real end. And we actually say that at the end of it: “This is not an end but a beginning.” You see? And that’s because the practices of the workbook are things you want to implement into your daily life for the extended—for the rest of your life. You see? So it isn’t really about completing numbered passages. Okay? That’s wonderful—that’s a symbol of completion for you in form—but what you want to do is actually practice this in your day-to-day life and take it with you all the time.
You don’t have to take the book with you, but the thoughts with you. You see? And it’s like what this assignment that we gave to you. In fact, by doing the assignment that we gave to you at the beginning of this session will actually help you in completing the workbook as well because it takes you into a place of mindfulness and awareness. And you’ll say, “That’s right. I wanted to do these lessons, so I’m going to go ahead and do the lessons. I’m not going to make a big deal out of doing the lessons. This might be this hangup you might have at the end there. I’m not going to make a big deal out of doing the lessons. I’ll just do them.”
But I’m going to do them in such a way that even if it’s not completed that day, I’ll just remember that the only answer to that is forgiveness and try it again the next day. You see? And as you continue practicing what we said at the beginning, you will become more aware of the things that do draw you away into the seeming world and forget. So mindfulness will help a lot. In fact, it’s all about mindfulness.
The other thing we wanted to say: you said your ego distracts you. This might help you to know that the ego is not separate from you. The ego is in your mind. It is not an entity that is a separate thing running around saying, “I’m the ego, and I’m going to distract you.” It’s your wrong-minded decision. You see? That you can always change your mind.
So it helps to realize that it’s you. Does that make sense to you?
Melen: Yes. Rather than the ego. Okay, it’s my ego—the ego part of my mind. So I went down the wrong-minded thought system path, and I don’t really want to do that anymore. So I’m going to do my best to stay as aware as possible and forgive myself all the time.
Jesus: Does that answer your question?
Melen: Yes. Thank you. You always… I always… when I write the question, you answer at the same time I write the question. So you said the same thing in my head, so I knew that. So I got to also cultivate that and myself, write that down on your notebook.
Jesus: Okay. I will prove to you that your communication is open. So wonderful. Thank you.
Melen: You’re welcome. And thank you.
Jesus: What’s the next question? It’s from George, who is not here today. But George asks: When I leave my body behind—that is, when it is time for me to cross over—what will happen? Who will I meet? Will I be able to talk to you, Yeshua, as in face-to-face conversation? Does it depend on how I died?
Jesus: It does not depend on how you died because you don’t die. Doesn’t depend on how your body dies. Doesn’t depend on how you decided your body to die. Death is not real. Who will you meet? Everyone, everything, everywhere from all time, including beyond time, out of time. You see? What happens? You wake up and you remember fully and completely: “Thank God that was just a dream! What a dream!”
You’ll also be inundated with what you’ve learned, how you’ve expanded, and so on. It’s an ongoing, eternal process of love.
George: Thank you. I have heard though that there are beings called archons that impersonate those from the angelic realm, especially you, Yeshua, to make the spirit crossing over think that he is talking to you, Yeshua, when it is actually an impostor. Are there beings who trick us into thinking we are with you after we cross over?
Jesus: No. So okay, we’re going to say no because that’s not something to keep in mind. See, here’s the thing: when you transition, you’re going to take your mind with you. Okay? So if you have a whole thought system—“I’m going to meet these archons; they’re going to trick me, and I’m going to be confused”—you’re going to transition and be confused.
If you focus on the truth as we’re teaching here and you tune into yourself and know thyself—you are an eternal being, you are infinite—you see, you cannot be harmed by anything. Well, you think about that: “Here comes an archon out of here! Now get one of those onward and upward. I see the light!” Excuse me, actually, you see it like you’re not even anything. Don’t even pay attention to it. They’re just like thoughts. You see?
So you really want to clean up your mind. Actually, we’re going to give this as a pointer to everyone: number one, there’s nothing to fear. There is nothing to fear. If you find fear within yourself, keep releasing it. Don’t hold on to it. It has nothing for you.
We’re talking about that fear that seems to be this thing within you that’s just your wrong-minded thought system trying to catch you off-guard and convince you of the reality of duality. You see? So anything that you may encounter like that, it’s just pieces of the past. There is no past. Everything is over and done with. You see? Complete and filled with light and love.
So you want to empty your mind of those thoughts. Let it go. Don’t hold on to your grievances. You can’t take them with you. And in fact, get rid of your grievances now. You can have a better life in this dream state. You see? That means you won’t take it so seriously. Does that make sense to everyone?
So lighten up. That’s a really good point. If you’re light about life, these thoughts are not going to seem to come at you. And if they do—“Oh, jeez, here it is. That’s so silly. Just silly.” If you could crack a smile every now and then, laugh it off. You have nothing to fear. And we mean that.
George: Thank you, Jesus.
Jesus: You’re welcome.
Carrie: This next question is from Carrie about the assignment. Wonderful. And Carrie says—or asks: At the end of each day, is it helpful to write unexpected triggers?
Jesus: Yes, indeed. And perceive failures?
Carrie: Absolutely. Absolutely. In fact, that is part of the assignment, which is why we said at the very beginning: you want to write down the things you want to feel and the things you know are going to pull you away or seem to—whatever you have put your mind to do that. So it is incredibly crucial even to, at the end of the day, take out your notebook again. Look at your notebook: “What did I say at the beginning? How did I do? Did I come across these triggers? And how did I respond or how did I react?” And write down the answer to those. Does that make sense?
Carrie: Yes. I was… I was uh wondering because maybe I just want to focus on where I was successful. Or is that still just part of the dream, and I’m not in the present moment? So the ego is just kind of getting in there and making a mess.
Jesus: It’s great to point out to yourself where you were successful, but it is also great—and actually more important—to point out to yourself where you went off track because then you realize, “Okay, I do go off track. I’m not going to beat myself up for that, but I’m going to practice with more awareness.” You see? Now I know even more so that that really is a trigger for me and that I don’t have to respond like that. And I’m going to try every day that I come across that experience to not follow it. So you get to see you go with it less and less. Does that make sense?
Carrie: It does. And I’m also including things that I wasn’t expecting to happen, like it took me off guard and how I reacted—if it was good or bad.
Jesus: Exactly. That’s perfect. And in fact, this—that is important to say: “Well, this thing happened, and I felt really good about it. It was really awesome.” It’s important to see this too and say, “This too is illusion.”
Carrie: Yeah. That’s what I—that’s why I was thinking: it’s all keeping me in the dream because it’s not now. So then I’m like, “Well, is that even what I want to do at this point of the game?”
Jesus: Yes. Right now, yes, because you want to see: “Well, I got really excited there,” you see? “And I forgot that even that feeling of really greatness is like illusion too.” It’s actually an equal to the opposite of it. It’s the same amount of energy into both. You see? What you want to do eventually is let it all go. So yeah, but at this stage of the game, look at it. Be aware of it. Eventually, it’ll just become like second nature. You’ll see it, and you’ll know it, and it won’t happen.
Or it will, but you won’t feel like you have to write it down. Just in the beginning, it’s important to keep a notebook of these things until it becomes like second nature, which is why we said give it a month. Try it out for a month. Write it down. And next month, perhaps you could bring your experiences to share. You see?
Carrie: Okay. Thank you. Um… whenever you’re done with other questions, I have another question.
Jesus: Very good. Thank you. Thank you.
Carrie: Yes. Ask the question. They’re saying, “Ask the question.” Okay. So um… I was wondering if you could um… help me with—in the vein of what we’re talking about today—and how to approach something. Um… I know that I have an underlying—we’ll call it disharmony—um… regarding the uh… my ex-son-in-law trying to get custody of my granddaughters. And while I want to see everybody as love and not hold the past against them, there is this fear of him being abusive with my granddaughters. So I have this fear coming, and I look at that. I’m like, “Okay, I would like to put that in my monthly lesson—what we’re doing for the month—and I would like to um… know the best way to approach it so that I can actually have a goal as to how I should be approaching it.”
Jesus: Okay. So first of all, we’re going to ask you… Actually, first of all, we’re going to say: you want to look at it from a mind of peace. You see? And so that will help you go in the right direction. That’s not about blame. It’s not about criticism or anything like that. It’s just you’re able to see it kind of from a stepping back and observing it so that you are not emotional about it, but you can actually see it clearly. Does that make sense?
Carrie: Um… I feel like the way to get to the mind of peace is actually not to think about that but get into alignment and from that point look at the situation.
Jesus: Well, that is what the mind of peace is. Okay? Okay. But here’s the thing: if you have an experience—or you’ve had an experience—let’s say with an individual where there has been a sign of physical abuse or anything of that nature, we would say: do what you need to do on the level of form, but do it from a state of mind of peace. Kind of like, “It’s logical to take care of this situation in this way.” You see?
Carrie: Okay. So I personally don’t have to… to do anything. My… my daughter is going to court to try to stop him from getting partial custody. Okay. Um… so I personally don’t have to do anything. I want to be poised in the matter. I know that everybody is love, and I don’t know how to think about this to stay in the mind of peace.
Jesus: Well, here, there can be a little bit of a misunderstanding of the mind at peace. We’ll just say it like this: we don’t know the scenario, but it sounds like what you’re saying is there is an individual who is an abuser. Does that make sense?
Carrie: Yeah. Yes.
Jesus: Okay. Make peace with that fact. Okay? Don’t try to make it pretty and, “Oh, you’re all love, and I know it.”
Carrie: Yeah. That’s what I… Yeah. I didn’t want to bypass it. I wanted to…
Jesus: Exactly. And when you beat the crown out of those people—your love? No, not at all. That’s someone in their wrong mind and who has a mental problem. Okay? The level of form, there is a fact about mental disorders. And mental disorders must be handled on the level in which they can receive it. You see? Which would be on the level of form.
So… so don’t try to make it into a spiritual thing. Okay? Don’t say that, “I can lift myself up and see this person as love and peace,” because you’re not going to. Okay? That’s basically—let me—that’s painting over a dirty spot, we’ll say. Does that make sense?
Carrie: Yes.
Jesus: Okay. What you want to do is: okay, this something that seems to be happening on the level of form. This is an experience. I can’t do a spiritual bypass of it because it’s in my face. Okay? And it’s a fact. Don’t get mad at the fact. It’s just a fact. Say, “I know that this isn’t the truth of the person, but I can say that that’s a fact: this person chose this.” You see? So do whatever you need to do to take care of whatever needs to be taken care of. Does that make sense?
Carrie: It does. So my… my thought has been: “Okay, he’s doing this, but I can still be love. So like, he would go to my granddaughter’s basketball games, and I can still be loving to him when I see him. But that doesn’t mean that I condone him trying to get custody. But I can still be love when I see him because he’s not the act. Right? Am I shredding it a—I mean, it doesn’t seem right that I would not be love.”
Jesus: Well, of course it doesn’t seem right. You’re not going to go in there and say, “I think like this about you,” and “I’m this is what I see about you.” You’re not going to do that. You’re just going to be normal about it. Okay? What would a normal person do? “I have an awareness that there’s a fact about this person, and I’m going to—I have that awareness. I know the truth.” Obviously, I’m not off my rocker. So I’m not going to go out there and be some strange, aggressive person. Well, then I’m just being like he is if I was doing that.
Carrie: That’s what we were saying.
Jesus: We said: “You are not off your rocker. You are not going to go up to him and start acting like a crazy person.” You’re going to be normal. Does that make sense?
Carrie: Yes. It’s a call for love, is it not?
Jesus: It is. But remember this: here’s where you are taking it too seriously. Okay? And you’re saying, “Okay, I have to make this a really spiritual love fest. Okay, I don’t want to—I don’t want to see the fact.” Okay? What you want to do is: “I see the fact. I’m going to be a normal person. Okay? I’m not going to make a spiritual inept thing out of this.” Okay?
Carrie: Okay. Because there could be a legal thing about this.
Jesus: We’ll just tell you: everything’s spiritual. That’ll cover all bases. And in fact, we are going to tell you that everything is a call for love. Everything in the illusion is a call for love.
Carrie: He’s a very hard time not showing the face of love towards a person.
Jesus: No one is telling you not to. Okay? Okay. Good. That’s what we’re saying. You’re just—you’re saying we just said this, and then you’re saying, “But I… I’m not the type of person who wouldn’t show love.” We didn’t say you weren’t. We didn’t tell you not to. We just said, “Don’t start making this some big thing.” Okay? You are making it a big thing.
Carrie: Yeah. So don’t make it a big thing. Just be love.
Jesus: So on my homework, I say, “I’m going to see this person today,” and I’m choosing that I want—I’ve already said I want to feel this way today. “I’m going to see this person today on my homework,” and then that just kind of gives me a heads-up: “Oh, this is coming.”
Carrie: Yep. And I’ve already chosen that I want to feel this a certain way.
Jesus: Exactly. And that’s a homework. Yes, indeed.
Carrie: Okay. Perfect. Wonderful. And the feelings that do come up when you have the experience and write those down later. But do keep in mind: “I said I wanted love, so I wanted to keep my mind in the direction of love.”
Jesus: Thank you.
Carrie: Thank you. Thank you.
Jesus: Well, that was a wonderful session today. We know that you will take this practice. Actually, we’re going to say we hope you will take this practice and do it. But when you do it, you’ll really open something within yourself—this awareness that has always been with you all the time, and it’s never left. And it will feel like a coming home when you are with yourself. We’re talking about your capital self—who you really are.
And you’re doing this practice. You’re going to become more aware of your capital self, and you’re going to become more aware of the times that you go off track. But you’re going to become more eager to stay on track. You see? You will become more excited about staying on track because you will notice there is a track that you want to stay on. And as you go along, it’ll become easier and easier. But it’s going to take work. Do it with joy. Do it with a light heart. Don’t beat yourself up. Write down when you do. Forgive yourself and tell yourself, “I’m not going to do that again,” and if I do, “I’m still going to forgive myself. I love myself,” etc.
We love you all and all as well. Thank you for joining with us today. It was wonderful, and we look forward to joining with you once again soon enough. But do this practice, and we’ll touch base. Namaste.