耶稣大师讲话 2025年2月1日

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耶稣： 早上好、下午好或晚上好，具体取决于你认为自己身处何处。现在，让我们都专注于当下这一刻，记住，真正存在的时间只有现在，别无其他，唯有当下。放下你对过去的回忆、对未来的种种思索，以及任何可能让你分心、无法专注于当下的念头。就让这些想法消失，放下它们，活在当下，好好呼吸。

此刻我们在这里，你也在。我们期待与你交流。但请记住，你是一个心灵，而非一具躯体。你是永恒的，并非转瞬即逝的存在。从本质上来说，你是永恒的，尽管外在形式并非如此。思考一下这句话，你或许会感到释然。你本质永恒，而非形式永恒，这意味着躯体不会永远存续。它看似能存在一段时间，但不会永恒，不像你的灵魂或精神。所以，试着深呼吸，去感受这一点。我们希望你真正与那个永恒的自我建立连接，那才是你的真实自我，它从未改变，始终存在于上帝的意识之中。可以说，你只是产生了一个念头，假装自己能去往别处，体验不同于真理的事物。你这么做是因为渴望获得更丰富的体验，真正拓宽自己的思维。顺便说一句，你和你的创造者共享这思维。你与你的创造者从未分离，现在没有，将来也不会，在真理中，你们永远是一体的。你经历种种，却感觉自己与创造者分离了，这种感觉确实存在。你用肉眼观察事物，但肉眼所见不过是谎言，因为你知道吗？你肉眼所见的事物在真理中其实并不存在。它们只是一种概念，让你以为必须通过某种方式才能看见。实际上，你是通过心灵去感知的，但在你的体验中，这种感知仿佛是通过某种形式呈现出来的，以无数种方式投射到你周围看似真实的世界中，或者说，你感觉自己身处这个世界之中。但实际上，你并不在一个真实的世界里，你身处的是一场梦，一个幻象。幻象并非真实，意识到这一点，你会感到释然。你在这里所感知到的一切都并非真实。这是一场模拟，也被称为 “矩阵”，这种说法很贴切，因为事实就是如此。从某种意义上说，这是一所 “学校”，你的灵魂在这里经历你所选择的课程，目的只有一个，那就是成长，而成长过程中必然包含宽恕。事实上，你的主要目标就是宽恕，但这并非人类思维所理解的那种宽恕，也不是小我所认为的宽恕。小我与人类的躯体紧密相连，这意味着它们是受限的，完全无法洞察真理。有时你似乎能察觉到一些真相，但要明白，你所感知到的不过是幻象，这就是你的体验。所以，有一段时间，你似乎就这样在幻象中前行，这是因为你渴望扩展、渴望成长，你知道在这个并不真实存在的模拟世界中体验是实现成长的最快方式。所以，你可以看开一点，对待生活、对待这个世界，既要学会放松，也要不断学习。看开点，是因为要知道这一切都不是永恒的，只是暂时的。只要你认为这里是教室，那它就是教室。实际上，它就是一个教室，只是很多时候，人们把它当成了监狱。我们希望你能突破这种认知，转向你的 “正确思维”。就像我们每次说的那样，你的思维分为两部分：错误思维和正确思维。你应该向正确思维寻求真正的指引，那里是圣灵的栖息之所。如果你依赖错误思维，那就是在依靠小我寻求指引，这只会让你迷失方向。我们爱你，也知道你有很多疑问。我们可以在问答中进一步交流。

提问者： 弗朗西斯似乎不在这里，但她托我问个问题。我是《奇迹课程》的学习者。我非常感激这些教诲，每次想到对你的感激之情，或是感受到、见证到爱的表达与传递时，我都会感动落泪。我很容易情绪激动，心中满是感恩。《奇迹课程》的导师们告诉我，情绪源于小我，而灵魂不会哭泣。我是否需要清除一些东西，才能不再如此情绪化呢？我是否需要审视内心的愧疚感或自我价值感缺失呢？非常感谢你的帮助。

耶稣： 首先，在这场梦境般的人生中，你会经历各种你认为是情绪的感受。我们想说明的是，感恩和欣赏并非真正的情绪，它们是一种与情绪化无关的感觉。很多时候，当你感动得落泪，人们会认为你是情绪化，但如果你是因为感恩或欣赏而流泪，那只是这种情感的一种表达。我们之前将其称为 “释放之泪”。你内心积压了许多情绪，有时这些情绪会以泪水的形式宣泄出来，而你会感觉很好。这没什么可评判的，你应该顺其自然。另外，即使其中夹杂着其他情绪，也不要去评判它。从本质上来说，情绪对你毫无影响，它只是一种能量的表达，必须释放出来。不释放，又怎么能让它消失呢？所以，我们希望每个人在想要评判某件事，比如认为自己太情绪化时，能够退一步思考，告诉自己：“我不知道这是怎么回事，也不知道这意味着什么，但我可以把它交给我的正确思维，让它来帮我理清和纠正。” 我们在《奇迹课程》中提到的情绪，比如愤怒、仇恨，这些较低频率的能量都来自小我，也就是你的 “低级思维”。而 “释放之泪” 并非如此，它实际上是在释放那些积压的情绪。如果你一直压抑这些情绪，觉得 “这样不合适”“我不该这样”，然后把它们强行压抑下去，当你再次感受到这些情绪或能量涌现时，你应该意识到它，然后告诉自己：“我要用正确思维，在圣灵的指引下看待它，不做任何评判，让它自然流过。” 当你试图压抑这些感受时，就等于在暗示它们是真实存在的，你在告诉自己 “我受到了威胁”，这表明你认为自己是一个受限的心灵、受限的自我，并且已经认同了小我。但当你说 “又有这种能量出现了，我只想释放它，让它穿过我，而不是与之对抗或评判它，顺其自然就好”，这样才是正确的态度。

提问者： 谢谢你，耶稣。还有其他要说的吗？

耶稣： 没有了。

很好。

你看，人类很容易情绪化，这是因为人们相信身体的存在，并且认为自己就是身体，觉得自己是受害者，容易受到伤害，很脆弱。我们这么说不是在嘲笑谁，而是你确实会有这种虚弱、无助、不适的感觉，这些情绪会以各种方式表现出来。这其实是一种自我保护机制，在这种防御状态下，人们会产生很多情绪，也会做出很多评判。如果你留意过就会发现，每次你为某件事辩解、产生防御心理时，都是因为你把这件事看得太个人化了，觉得这些事情让你产生了情绪，认为是别人对你做了这些事。于是，你竖起一道墙，筑起一道屏障来保护自己，或者积聚能量进行反击。这种情况在野生动物身上很常见，这其实就是低级思维的运作方式，它就像动物的本能。如果你能 “驯服” 这种本能，也就是说，不要让它控制你，而是让你的心灵听从更高层次思维的指引，并据此行动，你的生活将会更加顺遂。这并不是因为外部环境变得更好了，而是因为你的认知改变了，你会更多地选择接受，而非抗拒。关于这一点，我们可以说很多，因为这就是你整个世界的写照，事实上，整个世界都是如此。每个人内心的体验被投射到外部，变成了你所认为的外部世界，这样你就不用面对内心的问题，因为它们被 “投射” 到了外面。你要做的是觉察到这些，当你产生某种感觉，做出某种反应时，问问自己：“为什么会这样？我能换种方式应对吗？” 答案是肯定的。这时你可以向圣灵寻求帮助：“我该如何换个角度看待这件事呢？请指引我。” 这样，你的认知就会得到纠正。就像我们说的，你用眼睛看到的外部经历可能不会改变，但你对它们的解读会改变，你与这些经历的互动方式也会改变。你会选择平和而非冲突，选择宽恕而非指责。你会愿意为改变自己的思维负责，而不是把问题归咎于他人，自欺欺人地认为是别人的责任。你能感受到其中的差别，一种充满力量，另一种则充满痛苦。选择哪种体验，完全取决于你。我们建议你选择平和而非冲突，选择听从圣灵的指引，而非小我的声音，诸如此类。

提问者： 下一个问题来自乔德。乔德问：我最近得到一个明确的信息，即 “一切本就如此”，是小我把一切拆解成碎片并加以定义。小我能得到满足吗？它会停止恐惧或不再渴望爱吗？谢谢你，爱你。

耶稣： 首先，这是正确的。但更准确地说，是你的思维选择将其拆解、区分，并相信你所看到的一切。没错，这是小我的行为，但小我和你并非分离的，小我存在于你的思维之中。小我不是一个失控的外部实体，你可以控制它，因为你随时可以做出与小我相悖的选择，也就是说，你不必听从小我产生的感觉或想法，你可以选择倾听圣灵的声音。这就是放下你和小我之间的执着。我们还要告诉你，小我永远不会得到满足。它存在的意义就是永远处于不满足的状态，因为只要它不满足，就会不断寻找东西来填补那个看似存在实则并不存在的空缺。所以，小我在玩一场游戏，这场游戏让它在你的思维中持续存在。一旦你不再听从小我，不再顺着它的想法行事，小我就不复存在了。

再者，小我并不渴望爱。事实上，小我甚至不想让你了解爱，因为爱意味着小我的消亡。这个回答解决你的疑问了吗？

提问者： 是的，嗯，信息量很大。小我不渴望爱，这一点我能理解，因为小我总是与爱背道而驰，它常常选择恐惧而非爱。小我和恐惧本质上是一样的，所以它总是站在恐惧那一边，试图让你相信你应该感到恐惧，或者有很多东西值得恐惧，但实际上，根本没什么可害怕的。作为永恒的存在，你没什么可恐惧的。很多人认为，小我对于我们的人生体验是必要的，事实真的如此吗？实际上，小我并非不可或缺。它只是你做出的一个决定的副产品，这个决定就是看似与上帝分离，当然，你实际上无法真正与上帝分离，这只是一种分离的幻觉。在这种幻觉中，你相信自己实现了不可能的事 —— 与上帝分离，这就是小我的由来。当你感觉上帝所在的位置似乎空了，你用什么来填补这个空缺呢？那就是小我。小我所谓的 “必要性” 在于，如果你想继续体验纷争，或者说，这个世界本就充满纷争，但小我让你觉得，必须经历痛苦才能体验到爱。但实际上，爱并不需要痛苦，爱就是爱，它自存自在。我们能把小我放在一边吗？当然可以，事实上，这正是我们鼓励你去做的。

提问者： 谢谢。

耶稣： 不客气。很多人会问这样的问题：如果把小我放在一边，过马路的时候谁来提醒你有公交车，保护你不被撞到呢？好像需要小我来告诉你有公交车开过来，而最合理的做法就是在公交车驶来时不要过马路。但这并非小我的作用，这是理智的判断。显然，你并不愚蠢。我们想说的是，你的正确思维很简单，但并不浅薄，也就是说，智慧是平和的。它温柔却坚定有力，绝非浅薄愚蠢。所以，你可以相信自己的直觉。如果你不想被车撞，直觉会告诉你不要冲进车流中。这是直觉，而非小我。两者有很大的区别。

提问者： 是的，下一个问题来自苏珊。她今天好像不在，但她问：《奇迹课程》说世上没有施害者，也没有受害者，因为我们并非真正分离。但在这个世界上，我们必须分辨什么是爱，什么不是爱。你必须知道自己何时受到了伤害，就像你必须明白自己何时伤害了别人一样。父母要对孩子负责，而不是反过来。缺乏爱的父母会伤害孩子，为了克服童年创伤，就必须弄清楚发生了什么。《奇迹课程》似乎在否认这类经历的现实，好像在说我们不需要去理解人际关系中的这些动态。你能解释清楚吗？感谢你为我们答疑解惑。

耶稣： 当然可以，我们很乐意。

这是对《奇迹课程》的误解。在课程中我们说过，这个世界并非真实存在，你所感知到的经历只是你内心的感受。这些感受就像被投射到屏幕上，你能看到它们，从而可以做出不同的选择。我们从未说过要假装那些事没有发生，这是对课程的严重误读。我们没让你经历了可怕的事情后，却说 “那只是个幻觉”。我们的意思是，虽然要认识到这是个幻觉，但也不要害怕去正视它。《奇迹课程》中是这么说的：正视它。不经历黑暗，就无法见到光明。很多时候，人们会想 “我只要把光带到我认为有黑暗的地方就好了”。但我们要告诉你，在你认为有黑暗的地方强行打光，会让黑暗显得更加真实。实际上，并没有黑暗，只有光明。但如果你看到的只有创伤，又如何能看到或感知到光明呢？你必须正视创伤，接受它，提醒自己这是我选择的一课。但要以温和的方式去面对，不要把它当作一种惩罚，因为它不是。你要思考的是 “我如何正确看待这件事呢？圣灵啊，我经历了这件事，它似乎一直困扰着我，或者说我一直放不下它。我该如何放下呢？” 你必须正视它。你不能跳过这些步骤，急于 “回家”。实际上，你早已 “在家”，即便你仍在幻象中，从真理的角度看，你从未真正进入过幻象。但你还没有完全领悟这一点。当我们说你还没到那一步时，是指人类整体还没有达到那种境界。如果人类达到了，你环顾四周就会笑着说：“哇，那真是个愚蠢的错误。我现在就改正，开始放下这一切。” 不要逃避你的功课或 “教室”，因为那些最容易触发你情绪的地方，正是你选择以不同方式应对时，能获得最大成长的地方。所以，我们不希望你认为《奇迹课程》是在让你假装事情没有发生，因为你确实感知到了这些事情的发生。如果我们说 “别傻了，那没发生过”，而你却有切身体验，身体和心灵都遭受了创伤，这显然是不合理的。圣灵绝不会让你看着这些经历，假装它们没发生，即便你还能感受到痛苦，却仍要你继续忽视。因为我们想让你知道，这不是治愈的方法。真正的治愈是正视它，接受这个经历对你来说是真实的这一事实，因为是你让它变得真实。而摆脱这种 “现实” 的唯一方法就是治愈，治愈的唯一途径就是以温和、理解的态度去面对，而不是粗暴对待，更不是假装一切都没发生。

提问者： 谢谢。

提问者： 下一个问题来自杰帕，他今天没能来。杰帕问：约书亚，我一直在读关于《死海古卷》的书，也了解了一些关于艾赛尼派的内容。我希望得到你对这些教义的看法和指引。我也一直在学习《奇迹课程》，已经坚持了好几年。我想确认一下，我是否真的与你同行，就像你与我同行一样。我爱你，衷心感谢你。

耶稣： 我们也爱你。但我们必须提醒你，我们没有 “看法”。我们要告诉你的是，活在当下。你正在研读的这些文献，对于那些寻求回忆真理的人来说，有时可能会有所帮助。但你要明白，这些文献讲述的只是故事，并非真正的真理（这里指大写 “T” 的绝对真理，无论它们在幻象中是否真实）。你要追寻的是真正的真理，而这真理只存在于当下。所以，当你研读这些文献时，不要把它们当作绝对真实的东西。它们可能会提供一些有用的信息，在一段时间内对你有所帮助，但之后你应该放下它们。从这些文献中，并没有什么能真正引发你的觉醒。如果它们碰巧起到了这样的作用，那很好；如果没有，也没关系。我们希望你更多地关注当下，也就是你的日常生活。在生活中践行《奇迹课程》的原则。这些书籍并不是 “生活”，它们属于过去。你应该从过去走向当下。前几天我们和通灵者交流时提到，研究历史文献的问题在于人们会过于沉迷于过去。我们发现，人们在研究时往往会陷入分析。因为你是从身体的角度去看待这些文献。你应该这样问自己：“圣灵啊，这些内容里有什么能唤醒我内心的记忆吗？” 这里的记忆不是指前世的记忆，也不是关于物质层面的记忆，而是存在于你和所有人内心深处，从未消失，却被这个世界掩盖的记忆。你要做的是揭开这层面纱，直面这份记忆，而不是一味钻研古老的手稿。我们不是说不能看这些东西，你可以看一会儿，但如果看得太久，就等于把控制权交给了小我，小我会利用这些来延续自己的存在，让过去显得更加真实。你应该活在当下，把握此刻。希望这些能解答你的疑问。记住，《奇迹课程》的原则是为了让你在日常生活中运用的。

提问者： 谢谢你，耶稣。

提问者： 下一个问题来自珍妮。珍妮问：很多年前，有一天清晨我醒来，发现毯子被掀开，有人跳到我床后，搂着我，和我紧紧依偎在一起，也就是 “ spooning ”（ spoon有 “勺” 的意思，这里指两人像勺子一样紧紧贴在一起的亲密姿势 ）。我很害怕，尽管我感觉那是个大概8岁的小男孩，性格非常温柔友善。我想喊女儿和她的伴侣来救我，但喉咙像被卡住了，什么声音也发不出来。我慢慢地伸手去摸搭在我手臂上的那只手，想确认它是不是真的，我确实摸到了。我不喜欢这种恐惧的感觉，所以决定直面眼前的状况，缓缓转过身，可它却消失了。我一直坚信自己当时是完全清醒的，但现在我想问您，我这样想对吗？另外，就在不久前，在我即将完全觉醒的那两周左右的时间里，我总感觉有个人躺在我旁边，我觉得是个年长的男性，但下一刻他又消失了。我倒不害怕，因为这种感觉就是一会儿觉得有人在，一会儿又没了。非常感谢您抽出时间解答。

耶稣：嗯，听起来这可能就是我们所说的“灵魂”，显然它并无恶意，反而有些调皮、亲昵。它们只是想引起你的注意，让你感知到它们的存在。你知道，有时候灵魂似乎会四处游荡，寻找被看见的机会，所以它们可能会以这种方式现身，希望再次被感知或得到认可。关于这件事我们没太多可说的，这就是一种灵魂现象或超自然体验。不过要知道，那个灵魂和你一样，本质上都不是真实存在的（从更高的真理层面来讲）。你要明白，你依然可以转向你的“正确思维”，告诉自己“唯有爱才是真实的，唯有爱才是真理”。这可不是在开玩笑，你还可以提醒它们，这里并非真实世界，这只是一场梦。你可以从这场梦中醒来，事实上，你也应该从这场梦中醒来。这个世界不过是一场梦，你追寻的是真理、爱和真正的存在。你的存在只源于上帝，也只存在于上帝之中。实际上，你所追寻的“本我”“本质”只存在于上帝那里。作为受小我影响的存在，觉醒意味着明白这一切只是一场梦，是时候醒来了。觉醒就是爱。这个回答能解决你的疑问吗？

提问者：解决了。谢谢。我还能再问一个问题吗？

耶稣：当然可以。

提问者：嗯，很长一段时间以来，我感觉身体里有很多能量，有时候这种感觉特别强烈，只要我想，就能感受到这股能量在身体内外流动。有时我还会看到一些小光点，在过去大概一年的时间里，我还看到过闪烁的微光。我想知道这是怎么回事，我觉得这对每个人来说可能都很正常，也许只是我以前没注意到这些微光，但我还是想确切了解一下这可能意味着什么。因为很多时候我感觉很迷茫，我想您应该明白我想问什么。

耶稣：是的，那些闪烁的微光在提醒你，光是真理的象征。你是光的一部分，光也是你的一部分。所以当它出现在你眼前时，你瞥见的是比这个世界更真实的东西。的确，每个人都存在这种现象，只是有些人更敏感，你就是其中之一。当它显现时，是在提醒你，你的真实本质不属于这个世界，要去拥抱这一点。

提问者：非常感谢您让我有了这样的感悟。

耶稣：不客气。也感谢你，埃琳。

提问者：是的，下一个问题来自尼尔。尼尔问：亲爱的耶稣，我知道您说过天堂难以用言语形容，但您能跟我们讲讲，在来世与逝去的亲人团聚是怎样的体验吗？到时候我们有可能见到一些圣徒，甚至您的母亲玛利亚吗？非常感谢。

耶稣：首先，你会见到每一个人，绝对是每一个人。实际上，这甚至不算是“见到”，而是你会记起每一个人，你会了解他们，你会明白所有人都与你一体。确实，这种体验无法用言语描述，因为它是一种亲身经历。体验是无法完全用言语、文字、键盘或电脑来充分描述的。你只需知道，当你离世过渡到另一边时，你自然会明白，因为你会记起一切。那是一种喜悦，而这种喜悦就是爱。

提问者：我们在这场“梦”里遇到的每一个人都会见到吗？还有，我们真的有守护天使吗，耶稣？

耶稣：是的，每个人都有守护天使。

提问者：那我们会和守护天使，还有其他所有人都团聚吗？

耶稣：哇。感谢今天你提出的这些问题，让我们有机会分享这些启示。

提问者：是的，我能和逝去的儿子约翰“交流”。他的声音传来时，非常坚定有力，这是我对他的感知。他对我说的其中一句话是“我希望你能像我一样自由”，而实现的方法就是“按耶稣说的做，不要把事情看得太真实，学会放下”。然后我问他：“那人生的意义和目标是什么呢？”他回答：“你在这儿的人生目标就是每天都开开心心的，直到离世的那一刻，因为那时你会无比喜悦。”

耶稣：完全正确。所以，即便我们还在这场“梦”里，也应该每天都过得开心。的确如此。如果你不开心，那是因为你选择听从小我的错误思维，而你随时都可以改变这一点。也就是说，如果你情绪低落，要知道这是你自己的选择。你选择让自己陷入低落情绪，但你不必一直如此。你可以振作起来，告诉自己“这太傻了，这只是一场我不想玩的心理游戏”。那么，这种改变的力量是来自守护天使、圣灵还是上帝呢？这力量绝对来自上帝。

提问者：您知道吗，我读过一些内容，甚至有人说他们是代表《奇迹课程》发声，他们说上帝甚至都意识不到光明之外的事物，所以他实际上并不知道我们这场“梦”。但我不太理解这种说法。

耶稣：是的，我们在《奇迹课程》里表达的意思是，上帝不会知晓不属于它自身的事物，因为如果上帝知晓那些非自身的事物，就等于让这些事物变得真实，而这是不可能的。所以你做了一场梦，在这场梦里待了一会儿。上帝不会评判，世界也不是上帝创造的。是你创造了这个世界，不只是你，还有你的思维，以及你身边那些看似存在于这个世界的人，你们的思维共同构建了这个世界，这是一个幻象。上帝不会知道幻象，因为上帝本身不是幻象。小我希望上帝知晓幻象，因为这样就能让幻象变得真实。

提问者：是的，嗯，谢谢耶稣。您知道，我只是想内心平静。就像沃普尼克博士过去常说的“做个普通人就好”。我小时候问我已故的父亲想要什么圣诞礼物，他总是回答“内心的平静”。我知道您在《奇迹课程》里说过，一颗平静的心可不是一份小礼物，对吧？所以我现在就想内心平静，尤其是在这个看似充满困扰的“梦境”时期。耶稣，您也知道，现在很多人每天都很心烦意乱。还有一件事，我最喜欢的一位作曲家有个习惯，他戴着有帽檐的帽子，遇到喜欢的人，他就把帽檐往上抬；要是不得不和不喜欢的人交谈，他就把帽檐往下拉。这就引出了一个问题，为什么我们会喜欢某些人，却不喜欢另一些人呢？我们该如何应对这种情况呢？您看，有时候在新闻里看到一些人，我们会说“我真的很喜欢这个人”，但有时候又会说“我一点都不喜欢这个人”。我们该怎么处理这种情绪呢？

耶稣：如果这根本不需要处理呢，因为这没什么大不了的，只是一场游戏而已。基本上，这种体验是一种幻象。你会喜欢一些人，也会不喜欢另一些人，别太当真，这只是游戏的一部分。从本质上来说，你爱每一个人，因为爱就是一切，这才是你的真实本质。在这场“梦”里，你会经历一些你认为困难的事情，遇到一些让你头疼的人，在你看来这些都无比真实。但你要知道，你相信了这整个“故事”。所以这些事情在你眼中显得很重要，但实际上，它们什么都不是，真的毫无意义。你可以把这些当作幻象的一部分，直接忽略。再问一次自己：“我是想在这些事上争个对错，还是想让自己开心呢？”你可以这样告诉自己：“我知道我和这个人合不来，但这不是绝对的真理，只是我在这场梦里的想法。等这场梦结束了，这个想法也就不存在了。”这真的没什么大不了的。我们不是说要故意去讨厌所有人，那太愚蠢了。你应该审视这种想法，告诉自己“我可以换个角度看待这件事”。实际上，你应该向圣灵寻求指引，纠正自己的认知，而不是像小我那样，固执地坚持自己的看法。你要去感受那种放下的感觉，放下仇恨是什么感觉呢？是平静，是自由。你不必因为害怕放手、害怕获得自由，就紧紧抓住这份仇恨，仿佛它与你的身体紧密相连。你想要自由，那就放手吧，放下一切。你来这里就是为了学会放下，其实你本就不该“来”这里，只是你陷入了“沉睡”，而要从这场“沉睡”中醒来，你就得放下一切。

提问者：所以，真的很感谢您。

耶稣：不客气。基本上，不要把这些事看得太严重，但对于那些并非源自你“正确思维”的认知，也要认真对待，及时转变想法。感谢你赋予我们帮助你转变的力量，耶稣。

耶稣：这力量一直都属于你。再次感谢你。

提问者：也感谢您。我们爱您。

耶稣：今天的交流似乎要接近尾声了。一如既往，今天的交流非常愉快。我们会一直与你同在，我们爱你们每一个人。一切都很好。合十礼。

原文段落

Jesus： good morning, good afternoon or good evening, depending on where you seem to think you are. let us all Center into this now moment, recalling that the only time that truly is is now. nothing else. Simply Now. let go of your thoughts of the past, all future ruminations or anything that might be on your mind that’s kind of drawing your mind away from the present moment. just let it drop or release it, let it go and be here now and breathe.

so we are here and you are as well. we look forward to have having conversations with you. but let us remind you that you are a mind, not a body. you are Eternal, not EP ephemeral. you are forever in truth but not in form. you can think about that and feel relief about that. you are Eternal in truth but not in form, meaning a body doesn’t last forever. it can seem to last for a period of time but it doesn’t go on, not like your soul or Spirit you see. so breathe into that. we want you to really connect with that self, your true self, which is eternal always. you see that does not change. that’s the part of you that does not ever change. it is and remains always in the mind of God. you simply had a thought to, we’ll say it, pretend like you could go somewhere else, have an experience other than truth. and he wanted to do that because he wanted an expansive experience, something to really open your mind. your mind that you share with your creator, by the way. you are not separate from your creator. you never were, you never will be, and you never are in truth. you go through experiences and it feels like you’re separate. it does. You observe things with your physical eyes which can only show you a lie because did you know that your physical lies don’t actually exist in truth? they simply are an idea that the way that you can see has to be through something. really, you perceive through the mind, but that is manifested in your experience as though coming through a form, going through a myriad of ways in which it would be projected out onto a world that seems to be in your face all around around you or that you are in. you’re not even in a world in truth. what you are in is a dream, an illusion. illusion isn’t real and you can feel the relief of that. that nothing here that you perceive seem to see is actually true or real. this is a simulation, has been referred to as a matrix. it’s a really good way of putting it because that’s really what it is. it is a Schoolhouse per se in which you, your soul experiences lessons that you chose to have for nothing other than your growth, which also involves forgiveness. in fact, your main goal really is that forgiveness. and it isn’t forgiving the way the human mind thinks. meaning it isn’t forgiveness the way the ego thinks. the ego, the human form are tied together, meaning they are limited. they do not see the truth at all. you can perceive it at times but just know that that is simply you perceiving an illusion. that’s what your experience is. so for a while you seem to travel in this way but that is because you wanted to expand, you wanted to grow and you knew the fastest way to do so was to have an experience in a world that doesn’t exist in truth, a simulation, is like we were saying. so you can lighten up about your life, about your world, but also learn. the lightning up is knowing that this is not forever. this is temporary. this is a classroom as long as you perceive it to be so. actually it is a classroom. it’s just that much of the time is spent perceiving it as a prison. we want you to break out of that perception by looking to your right mind. you see, as we tell you every time, you have two parts to your mind. you have your wrong mind and and your right mind. you want to look to your right mind for True guidance. your right mind is where the Holy Spirit abides. if you look to your wrong mind, you’re looking with your ego to Your Ego for guidance. that will lead you nowhere. we love you and we know there are lots of questions. we’ll be able to further this conversation within these questions.

提问者： Francis does not seem to be here but she asks this question. I am a student of A Course in Miracles. I am very grateful for these teachings. I am brought to tears with just the thought of gratitude for you and the love I feel whenever I feel or witness an expression or extension of love. I get very emotional. I feel such gratitude. I’ve been told by teachers of acim that emotions are of the ego, that the spirit does not cry. is there something I need to clear so that I am not so full of emotion? is there some guilt or unworthiness I need to look at? thank you so much for your help.

Jesus： number one, you’re going to have or experience what you think are emotions throughout this dream you see. we want to clarify that gratitude, appreciation is not actually an emotion. it is a feeling that doesn’t have to do with being emotional. you see, often times when you have the welling up of Tears, it is perceived as being emotional. but if you’re feeling gratitude or appreciation, that is simply an expression of the appreciation. we have called it before a release cry. there is much emotion that you have that is being pushed down and sometimes that will come up simply to be least in the form of tears and sometimes it will feel wonderful you see. that’s not something to look at and judge. it is something to let go and allow. and here’s another thing, even if there is an emotion involved in it, you don’t want to judge the emotion. the emotion is nothing in truth, meaning it has no effect upon you at all. it is simply an expression of an energy and it must be released. how else could it be released but by releasing it? you see, that’s why we really want everyone to notice when you go immediately to judge something such as this, call it being emotional, and just step back and say, I do not know what this is for. I do not know what this is, but what I can do is hand this over to my right mind for clarification and correction. you see, the emotions that we speak about in A Course in Miracles would would be things like being angry, hateful. any kind of of lower energies always come from the ego, your Bas or mind you see. a release cry does not come from that at all. it’s actually the letting go of all of that pent up emotion. so if you have gone through your experience not wanting to show any allowance of that, you’ll usually push it down. oh, that’s not appropriate. that’s not appropriate or that’s something for me to not do and so I will shove it down you see. when really you feel the emotion or the energy come up, you notice it and say, I’m going to look at this with my right mind, the Holy Spirit, and and not judge it at all but let it pass through. you see, when you when you try to push these feelings down, you are saying that this is a real thing. I’m truly threatened by this, which says I am a limited mind, a limited self and I am have identified with the ego. when you simply say, here’s this energy coming up again and I just want to release it, so I let it go through me rather than fighting it or judging it, just let it be.

提问者： thank you Jesus. was there another part to that?

Jesus： no. wonderful. see, humans can be very emotional about things. it’s because there’s a belief in the body and the belief that you are the body, meaning you are a victim and that you can be victimized and that you are weak. we’re not saying it as look at the weakling over there. we’re talking about you feel weak, you feel helpless, you feel uncomfortable and so it comes out in a myriad of ways. it’s defense, you see. and in defense there’s a lot of emotion and in that defense there’s a lot of judgment. if you haven’t noticed, every time you get defensive about something, it’s because you have taken something personally. so you feel emotional about that things feel emotional and being done to you. so therefore you erect a wall, a barrier to either Shield yourself or energy to attack. you see that a lot in, we say, wild animals and that is really the way the baser mind is. it’s an animal. if you can train that animal, meaning don’t let it rule you but you, the Mind, choose to listen to your higher mind and act in accordance to its guidance, your life will be much smoother. not because situations are smoother, it’s simply because you will perceive it differently and you will have more of a response of acceptance rather than resistance. you see. and we can go on and on and on about that because your whole world is that. in fact, the world is that. it’s it’s everyone’s internal experience projected out onto what perceive what you perceive as external so that you don’t have to face it because it is out there. what you want to do is notice it. I have this feeling. I’m reacting to this like this. why is that? can I do this differently? yes, I can. well, that’s a holy spirit. how how shall I perceive this differently? please show me the way. Therefore your interpretation become corrected. you see, like we’re saying, the outside experiences that you seem to witness with your eyes may not change but how you interpret them will, meaning how you interact with them will. you will be choosing peace over conflict, forgiveness over blame. you’ll want to take responsibility in order to change your own mind rather than projecting it out and convincing yourself that someone else is responsible instead. you can feel the difference. one is filled with power, the other is filled with pain. which one you want to experience is always up to you. we would suggest that you choose peace over conflict. you choose to listen to the Holy Spirit instead of your ego and so on.

提问者： the next question is from jod and jod asks. I recently received a clear message that quote unquote all just is, that it is the ego that breaks it down into all the pieces and labels them. can the ego ever be satisfied? does it ever stop being fearful or needing love? thank you and much love.

Jesus： number one, that’s true. but even better is that it is your mind that chose to split it up, separate it out and believe everything you see. you see, yes it is of the ego, but the ego and you are not different, meaning the ego is in your mind. the ego is not an external entity out of control. you have control of it because you can always choose against it, meaning you do not have to go along with your egoic feelings or your egoic thoughts. you can choose to listen to the Holy Spirit instead. that’s letting go of the attachment that is between you and your ego. you see. we will also tell you this, the ego will never be satisfied. its whole existence is to remain unsatisfied because as long as it is unsatisfied, it will keep looking for something to fill its void that seems to be there but is not there at all. so it has a game it’s playing, a playing of which keeps it in existence in your mind. you stop listening to it, you stop going along with it, there is no ego. it doesn’t exist.

and then again, the ego doesn’t want love. in fact, the ego doesn’t even want you to know about love because love means the ego does not exist. does that answer your question?

提问者： yeah, um, that’s that’s a lot. that the ego doesn’t want love. um, that I can see that. uh, because ego goes in the opposite direction. um, frequently and it chooses fear over love a lot. the ego and fear are one and the same. so it will always side with fear so that it will try to convince you that you are fearful or that there are things to fear when in truth there is nothing to fear at all. you as an eternal being have nothing to fear. isn’t the ego necessary to have this experience? that’s what a lot of people think. it actually is not necessary to have this experience or it’s not necessary in order to have this experience. it is a byproduct of a decision that you made, meaning the decision to separate or seem to separate because you can’t really separate. there is just the illusion of separation. and in that illusion you believed that you had achieved The Impossible which is separation. that’s where the ego comes from. how do you fill up the space that seems empty where God once was but by making up a replacement for it? that would be your ego. the only thing that the ego is quote unquote necessary for is if you want to continue to experience Strife or we’re going to say it like this, not that you’re not going to experience Strife in the world because this world is a is a world of strife, but as though you must experience pain in order to experience love. that’s the ego’s idea for you. you see, love does not need pain. love simply is. can we simply set the ego aside? absolutely. in fact, that’s what we encourage you to do.

提问者： thank you.

Jesus： you’re welcome. so there are some things that a lot of humans ask about. that well, if you set your ego aside, who is going to protect you from a bus when you’re crossing the road? as if you need your ego to tell you there’s a bus that you can see coming at you and the most logical thing to do is not cross when a bus is coming. that’s not coming from your ego. that’s coming from sanity. obviously, you’re not stupid. something we’d like to say is your right mind is simple but not simple-minded, meaning wisdom is peaceful. it is gentle but it is firm and Powerful, not simple-minded and stupid. so you can trust your intuition. intuitively you would know not to step out into oncoming traffic if you don’t want to get hit. that’s intuition, not the ego. so there’s a big difference between the two.

提问者： yes, this next question is from Susan. she doesn’t seem to be here today but she asks. a coron miracle says that there are no perpetrators and no victims because we are not really separate. but within this world it is necessary to understand what is loving and what isn’t. you have to understand when you are mistreated just as you have to understand when you have mistreated others in this world. parents are responsible for children. it’s not the other way around. unloving parents can harm children and to overcome childhood trauma it’s necessary to understand what happened. acim seems to be denying the reality of that kind of experience, to be saying that we don’t need to come to terms with the Dynamics of relationships in that sense. could you please explain and clarify? thank you and thank you for being available to us.

Jesus： absolutely. it’s always our pleasure to do so. so that is a Mis understanding of the course. in the course we say this world is not real. the experiences that you perceive are simply your internal feelings. we’ll use that too projected out onto a screen in which they can be seen and so that you can look at them and choose differently. you see, nowhere we will say this would we say pretend like that didn’t happen. that’s a big misinterpretation of the course. we didn’t say have this horrible experience and say oh that was just an illusion. say that it is an illusion but also don’t be afraid to look at it. we say this in the course. look at it. you cannot see the light unless you go through the darkness. a lot of the times there is a thought well I can just put light where I think there’s Darkness. we’re going to tell you that putting light where you think there is Darkness makes the darkness real. in truth there is no Darkness. there is only light. but how do you see the light or how can you perceive light if all that you are seeing is like you were saying, a trauma? you have to look at that trauma. you have to come to terms with the trauma, reminding yourself this is a lesson I have chosen. but do so gently. don’t look at it as a punishment because it is not. what you want to do is how do I perceive this the right way? Holy Spirit, I’ve had this experience and it seems to be really holding on or I’m really holding on to it. how to let it go? well, you must look at it. you see, you don’t want to skip over steps to try to get home. in truth, you really are already home, meaning even though you still perceive illusion, you never even entered the illusion and truth. but you’re not there yet. when we’re saying you are not there yet, we’re talking about humanity is not there yet. if Humanity were there, you would look around and laugh and say wow that was a silly mistake. I’m going to correct that right now. I’m going to start letting it go. don’t shy away from your lessons or your classrooms because the places where you are triggered most are the places where you will experience the greatest growth when you choose differently around the subject. you see. so we wouldn’t want you to think that the course is telling you to pretend like things didn’t happen because you perceive and that’s happening. it would be very painful and crol if we said that’s silly that didn’t happen even though you had the visceral experience all the physical and emotional traumas that tell you differently. Holy Spirit would never say look at that and pretend like it didn’t happen and even though you’re still going to feel it just keep ignoring it because we just want you to know that’s not healing. what is healing is looking at at it, making peace with the fact that the experience is real to you because you made it real to you and the only way out of that reality is to heal and the only way to heal is to actually confront it from a perspective of gentleness and understanding, not harshness and not not by pretending.

提问者： thank you.

提问者： this next question is from jeppa who could not be here today but jeppa asks. Yeshua, I have been reading books about the Dead Sea Scrolls including books about the essenes. I need your opinion and your guidance regarding the teachings therein please. I am also following and studying acim. I have been for several years. I need your confirmation if I am truly walking with you as you walk with me. I love you and thank you with gratitude.

Jesus： we love you too and we have to remind you that we don’t have opinions. what we will tell you is this. we want you to come into the now. these documents that you are looking over and reading can sometimes be helpful for those who are seeking to remember truth. but what we want you to know is these two are stories, you see, and are not actual truth. we’re talking about capital T truth, whether they’re true in the illusion or not. you see, you want to get to the real truth which comes only from the present. so we want you to, as you look at these pieces, not look at them as though they are real. they’re going to give you real information, it might just be helpful for a little while, but then you want to let it go. you see, there is nothing that will actually come out of that that will trigger an Awakening per se. if it does, it does; if it doesn’t, it doesn’t. but we will say that we want you to focus more on your present moment. that means your day - to - day life activities. apply the principles of a course of Miracles through your living. these books are not quote unquote living; they are of the past. and you want to move from the past into the now. we were telling the channel the other day, the issue that happens with looking at historical documents is becoming too fixated on the past. we said analysis happens in those looking. you see, because you’re looking from the perspective of a body. what you want to do is go, “Holy Spirit, do you have something in here or is there something in this that might spark something of memory within me?” not about a past life, not about any physical, but there is something in you and in all, a memory that has not left, that has been covered over by the world. and what you want to do is uncover that, come face to face with that, rather than digging in old manuscripts. we’re saying you can look at these things for a little bit, but when you look too long, you hand it to your ego and the ego will use it as a way to perpetuate itself, to make the past real. you want to be in the present, you want to be now. so we hope that answers your question. remember the principles are there for your use in your daily life.

提问者： thank you Jesus.

提问者： this next question is from Jeanie and Jeanie asks. many years ago, I woke up early in the morning to my blankets lifting up and someone hopping into bed behind me and putting their arm around me, cuddling into me, otherwise known as spooning. I became frightened even though I sensed it was a young boy of about 8 years with a very gentle and loving nature. I tried to scream out for my daughter and her partner, but my throat became tight and nothing would come out. I slowly put my hand up to feel if the hand on my arm was real, and yes, I felt it there. I don’t like being afraid, so I decided to face whatever was there and slowly turned around, but it then disappeared. I have always been sure that I was totally awake, but now need to ask you if I am correct in this. also, not too long ago, for a period of about two weeks as I was coming into full Awakening, I felt that there was someone lying next to me, an older male I think, but then it would be gone. I wasn’t afraid because at the moment I thought someone was there and then it wasn’t. thank you so much for your time.

Jesus： well, it sounds like there may be what we would call a spirit, obviously not harmful, playful and even affectionate. they simply wanted your attention and your awareness of them. you see, sometimes Spirits seem to wander, looking for a way to be seen and so they may appear in such ways in order to be made real again, you see, or acknowledged. so this is something that we don’t have much to say about, except that it is a spirit or a psychic experience. you see, here’s the thing though, that spirit is no more real than you and vice versa. what you can know is you can still turn to your right mind, say “only love is true and Only Love is Real”. and we’re only half kidding about this. you can remind them that here is not real, this is a dream. you can wake up from this dream. in fact, you want to wake up from this dream. the world is only a dream. you want the truth, you’re looking for love, you’re looking for existence. Your Existence is in God and God Alone. actually, your isness is what you want, beingness is what you want. your isness and beingness is only in God. as existences of the ego, to awaken is to know this. this is a dream, it’s time to wake up. Awakening is love. does this answer your question?

提问者： it does. thank you. may I ask one more question?

Jesus： sure.

提问者： um, I think a lot of energy in my body and I have done for a long time, and sometimes it’s yeah, it’s just very very strong and I can feel it in and out of my body whenever I want. and sometimes I see little lights and in the last maybe year um, I see shimmering. and I just want to know what it’s about for me. I I pretty much think it’s normal for everybody and maybe I just never noticed the shimmering before, but I just want to know for myself what it may mean. um, because I feel stuck a lot of the time and I yeah, I think you know what I’m trying to ask.

Jesus： yes, that shimmering is to remind you that light is truth. you see and you are part of that and it is part of you. so when it shows itself to you, you are getting little glimpses of what is more real than this world. and yes it is true that this is true for everyone. some are more sensitive to it. you are one of those. and when it shows itself to you, it’s a reminder of your true Essence which is not of this world. to embrace that.

提问者： thank you so much for giving me this experience.

Jesus： you’re welcome. thank you and to you too, Erin.

提问者： yes, this next question is from Neil and Neil asks. dear Jesus, I know you have said that heaven is beyond words to describe, but can you tell us a little of what joining our departed loved ones in the next life will be like? also, might we meet some of the Saints at that time, maybe even your mother Mary? thank you.

Jesus： first of all, you’ll meet everyone, absolutely everyone. and actually it isn’t even meeting them, you’ll remember everyone. you will know everyone. you will know them all as one with you. and it is correct that this experience cannot be put into words because it is an experience. you see, experiences cannot be quite described fully with voices or pieces of paper and P or keyboards and computers. [Music] etc. just have that knowing that when you transition, you will know because you will remember everything. and it is joy and that Joy is love.

提问者： everyone that we’ve met in this dream like over the and and like will will do we actually have a guardian angel, Jesus?

Jesus： yes indeed, everyone does.

提问者： and will we meet that Guardian Angel along with all these other entities, everyone?

Jesus： wow. thank you for all these Revelations today.

提问者： yeah, I I hear from you know when I hear from from my departed son John, he comes through in a voice that’s very strong and very confident and that’s the way I perceive it. and one of the things he says to me is um, I want you to be free like I am. um, and the way to do that is to do what Jesus says and and not uh you know, don’t uh don’t don’t make things real, let them go. so and um, he says and and then and then I asked him, I said well what’s what’s the point, what’s the goal of our life? and he said the goal of your life here is is to be happy every single day until it is time to transition because then that’s going to be very joyful.

Jesus： absolutely. so while we are in the dream, we’re still meant to be happy each and every day. yes indeed. and if you are not, it’s because you’ve chosen to listen to your wrong mind and that you can always change. you see, meaning if you’re down in the dumps, know that you’re down in the dumps because of a decision you made. you made a decision to be down in the dumps, but you don’t have to remain there. you can pull yourself out of that and say this is silly, this is a mind game one that I don’t feel like playing. and is the power to do that given by our guardian angel or the Holy Spirit or God? it’s given from God, absolutely.

提问者： you know, there are I’ve read some people even like I think maybe speaking for the course that say that God God doesn’t even isn’t even aware of of things that are outside of the light, so he’s not even really aware of our Dream. but that’s I don’t understand that.

Jesus： yes, what we’re saying in the course is that God doesn’t know that which is not of itself because if it knew that of it that was not of itself, it would be making that which is not of itself real and that’s impossible. so you dream for a little while. God does not judge. God did not create the world. you made up the world, not just you, but the mind, your mind and those around you or who seem to be around you, who seem to be part of this world all make up this world. it’s an illusion. God doesn’t know about Illusions because God Is Not An Illusion. ego wants God to know about illusion because if it knew about illusion it would make it real.

提问者： yes and and um yeah thank you Jesus. you know I I just want to be at peace. you know I like Dr wapnick used to say ju just be normal. exactly and and my father when I asked my departed father when when I was a kid, I’d say Dad what do you want for Christmas? he he always had the same answer. he owes to say peace of mind. and I know Jes I know you said in the course that a peaceful mind is not a small gift, right? so that’s what I just want to be at peace, especially in this seemingly in the dream troubling time. A lot of people are very upset as you know Jesus and day by day. and one other thing like one of my favorite music composers had a habit of wearing a hat with a brim on it and uh when he met someone that he liked he would put the brim up and when he had to talk to somebody he didn’t like he would put the brim down. and that just brings up the whole point why do we like certain people and not other people? how do we deal with that? you know especially like you see people in the news and sometimes you say I really like that person, another time say I I really don’t like that person at all. how do we deal with that?

Jesus： well, what if you don’t have to deal with it because it isn’t anything to deal with? it’s just a game. okay, so basically this experience is an illusion. there are some that you will like, others that you won’t. don’t take that seriously. it’s just part of the game. you see, in truth you love everyone because love is all that is. okay, that’s what you really are. in the dream you go through what you perceive to be as difficulties, you come against difficult characters and they seem real to you and all this. see, you believe the whole story and all of that. so these things seem really big to you but it’s really nothing. it’s really nothing at all. you could simply brush it aside of this as part of that illusion. again, do I want to be right or do I want to be happy? I can just say to myself, I know that this character and my character are not meshing. that’s not a truth, the capital T truth. it’s just something I think in this dream. soon as the dream is over, that thought is no longer. you see, doesn’t matter. we wouldn’t say purposefully go out there and hate everybody at all. that’s silliness. that’s the kind of thought you do want to look at and see I can see this difference or I can perceive this differently. in fact, I will look to the holy spirit for correction rather than holding on to my interpretation with all my might as the ego tends to do. you want to just feel that feeling. what does it feel like to just let it go? feels like peace, feels like freedom. I don’t have to hold this hatred so tight to my seeming body, clenching it as tightly as possible out of fear of loosening it and being free. you want to be free, you want to let it go, you want to let everything go. you came here for that. you didn’t even really come here but you fell asleep and to wake up from the sleep you have to let it go.

提问者： so and it’s I I thank you.

Jesus： you’re welcome. so basically, don’t take it seriously but take it seriously enough to change your mind about the things that you perceive that are not from your right mind. thank you for giving us that power to do that, Jesus.

Jesus： absolutely. it’s always your power. so thank you again.

提问者： thank you as well. we love you all.

Jesus： looks like we are at the end of this session today. it has been wonderful as always and as always we’re with you and always we love you all. all is well. namaste.